Suggest ways to lose weight in a person with cardiomyopathy
This is xxxxxxxxxxx, OCD girl with the past cardiomyopathy. I wanted to thank you again for all your reassurances during my recent issue with the State Department regarding my medical clearance. I am still waiting for the official word, but I think I will receive Class 1 clearance which will be conditional and just one year, instead of the usual five years, but can be converted to normal once I have had repeat tests in a year. I hope to hear this month.
Today is my birthday and I am trying very very hard to be hopeful today that I can start to live a more normal life. In the morning we are leaving for a week's vacation at the beach, then I am traveling for work- to Taiwan- my first international trip since having cardiomyopathy. I am terrified, about the beach and Taiwan because I am so accustomed to my compulsions regarding food/drink. I am packing every small meal for the beach, although I used to enjoy eating every meal out, but I am so fearful of putting on weight. I am really really scared about Taiwan as there is no way I can pack food for that trip, so I will be eating/drinking whatever my colleagues are eating.
For the past 20 months, since my diagnosis, I have weighed myself every day, at least 10 times a day. My weight has fluctuated in that time no more than 5 lbs ever, but I have been alarmed whenever it goes up. It is up about one pound today from two days ago, probably hormonal, premenstrual, but I am so scared. Why would a doctor tell me one pound meant I was in heart failure and about to die? I know he was angry and being unreasonable and I'm normally not a foolish or dull-witted person but I was so scared when I was ill, that it made a deep impression.
Here is where I need your help. When I have my first water in the morning- before my co-workers are there- I keep my feet up until I am sure I've eliminated all the fluid. My old doctor told me never to stay on my feet after drinking. I still get so tense walking around or standing when I've had a lot of water with a meal- and I feel so sure I am retaining fluid. I make sure whenever possible to at least sit still when I've had a drink, which of couse, is many times throughout the day. I do feel like I am releasing more fluid when I am still. I exercise daily- but that's separate and I manage to feel ok. Is this doing anything or is it my imagination? I know sitting is apparently terrible for you and I'm fidgety and active and hate sitting usually, and never lie down before sleep. Does it have any real effect on diuresis? I read you magy urinate 10% more when lying down but of course I can't do that during the day. So is my sitting down doing anything at all? When I am active, I mean walking around the grounds at work or at least standing, being lightly active, not doing anything which would make me sweat.
I have been doing this nearly two years and must stop, I know it. If I were truly to retain water would I get other symptoms like swollen feet? Would I gain moret than a pound or two? I am so focused and fixated on this issue that it has taken over my life. I literally have a calendar of when I let myself stand up and do things during the day and when I must be still. I am so crazy and yet I can't stop. If you can tell me that there is no clinical basis to what I'm doing, it will help. I had my last great echo just three weeks ago and yet already I start to think, what if something has happened again?
thank you again, kind and wise doctor. this year I must beat this OCD and learn to live again.
Best to you,
You have nothing to be afraid of.
Happy birthday to you!
I wish you a long and happy life! I wish you only beautiful days in your future and leave the unpleasant moments of the past behind!
Regarding your concern, I would like to explain that you are a normal and healthy persons just like the others.
You are allowed to eat and drink normally, just like the others do. Nothing wrong is going to happen to you if you act like the others.
So, you do not need to prepare any special food, or weight your food or yourself.
I have already explained you that our body mass is continuously changing during the day. We are just like fabrics. We take plenty of food and drinks and produce a lot of sweating, body fluids, urine and stool.
There is not a specified equilibrium in every hour of the day in our body. So, our body weight is always changing with 1-2 pounds in a day. (I would like to remind you that we drink normally 1.5-2 liters of water per day), and also consume 1-2 kg food per day, which enters in our body in different times of the day from the time we urinate or get out our stools.
So, it is quite normal to be a little overweight in some moments of the day. You should consider it the time when our body is working to produce some outputs (urine, sweat, stool). We return to our weight when these products get out of our body.
I know it is a little boring what I am explaining you, but this is all to explain you that there is no need to measure your weight during the day, because it is quite useless.
Regarding physical activity, I would like to explain that it is very helpful in your situation. Physical activity helps you have a healthy body and a healthy mind. You can perform as much physical activity as you want. Nothing bad is going to happen.
You will only gain benefits from physical activity! I can assure you about this!
So, go and enjoy your life! Today is a new day and tomorrow another beautiful one, full of possibilities. You should just try to live your life as God has made this gift to you and you should not waist your time with irrational fears.
Hope to have brought a smile on your face today!
Wishing a wonderful day!
This evening, before dinner, I weighed myself and was about 2 lbs heavier than morning. I have only eaten a 4 oz serving of yogurt, then a 6 oz serving of whole grain fiber cereal today, both weighed on a scale. I have had plenty to drink, though, and feel I haven't needed to urinate very much. Isnt this compelling evidence that I am retaining too much fluid?
Thank you so much for your kind regards as well as all your help over the last year. You have helped me so much.
I would explain as follows:
I carefully passed through your question and would explain that these are just normal changes due to your body metabolism (like the above explained).
They do not indicate any fluid retention.
I would recommend trying to avoid weighting yourself. It is not going to help you as you do not need it.
You are a perfectly healthy persons now and this is a fact.
Just relax and try not to think about it!
Try to forget what you eat and what you drink. Life is full of beautiful things and you have a lot of other things to think about during the day!
Measuring everything you eat and drink is useless, as you do not suffer from any cardiac disorders.
Hope to have been helpful!
I am at your disposal whenever you will need me again!
If gaining 2 lbs would have been sign of danger when I was sick, why is it different now? It is so hard for me not to be terrified of water when I was told it would kill me. I wish I knew there would be some definite sign I was sick again but I never knew I was sick when I was sick though, in retrospect, as youve pointed out, there were some signs such as tiredness and orthopnea.
With water retention that is dangerous would it quickly lead to swollen legs/feet? Coughing? I am trying to relax but always carry my scale as it seems only way I will ever know if I am retaining too much water and need to get medical help.
Thank you so much,
My answer as follows:
I totally understand your concern, and would explain that when you were sick gaining 2 pounds would indicate increase fluid retention, because your heart could not pump the blood properly and it remained in the venous system, leading to edema (which is abnormal amount of fluid between the cells).
But now, it is just 2 pounds gained in a healthy person. Your heart is able to pump the blood properly now and it does not remain in the venous system. There is no risk of edema and further fluid retention.
These pounds could be some fluids or stools that are being metabolized in your gut, liver or kidneys. They will get out soon and are not going to to remain in abnormal places (like in your veins or limbs), because there is no increased pressure in the venous system (the heart takes the blood collected in the venous system and brings it to the lungs and it does it in an efficient way).
So, just do not think about it! Nothing bad is going to happen to you.
I just need you to believe in me!
Now try to close your eyes and thing about something beautiful! You are a young and healthy woman! You should be thankful for this and for all the opportunities that are still out there. You should just try to focus on them and not on your weight.
Take my advice!
Your weight does not matter now! You can eat and drink what you like!
Hope to have clarified some of your uncertainties!
I am always here whenever you will need be!
Thank you, I am trying so hard to believe and be confident but all those frightening times dont quite feel over. I have had OCD for a long time, but always well controlled and I had always been very healthy.
When I was sick, would several pounds definitely have been from fluid retention? Could it not have been from stools, etc even then? I understand about the heart needing to be able to pump blood to lung and kidneys but why isnt extra fluid (perhaps from too much sodium or hormonal fluctuation) dangerous to me now? I have been paralyzed with fear often, feeling sure that the water I drink will stay in my system. I dream of it often.
If I had dangerous water retention, as sign of returning heart, would I definitely have other symptoms as well? As I'd mentioned before, I was never on diuretics and my weight was stable when sick, but I had SOB on stairs, some orthopnea, and after ablation the skin on my shins changed from tight and shiny to normal. In general, though, I felt normal and was able to do everything I was used to doing and only medication allergy brought me to dr.
One last thing- is it my imagination that standing/walking causes substantial water retention? I try so hard to stay still until I've "passed" all the liquid I've drunk.
Thank you, Dr Iliri. I know I must get over my fears since I have big plans for my career.
Many many thanks,
I would explain as follows:
I would like to explain that during heart failure, the heart is not able to pump the blood and it remains in the venous system. This leads to an increase in the venous pressure and then from the difference between the pressure in the extravascular space (muscles and soft tissues) and intravascular pressure (venous system) the fluids go out in the extravascular space.
This causes the arterial system to have a lower blood pressure and this leads to lower renal filtration of the fluids, thus leading to fluid retention.
There are also a lot of other hormonal mechanisms (like NT proBNP) which contribute in fluid retention during this condition.
But, now your heart is normal. It pumps with complete efficiency the blood and no one of the above scenarios occurs.
You are a healthy person now. All your cardiac tests can confirm this.
So you have nothing to worry about!
Regarding fluid retention and standing/walking position, I would explain that this does not occur in normal and healthy persons.
During heart failure, as venous pressure is high, standing up/walking position can increase this pressure (because of the gravity force and the above mentioned mechanisms), leading to possible increase in edema and thus in fluid retention.
But in healthy individuals this does not happen. From the other hand our leg veins have valves which help the blood to go only in one position (directed to the heart) and not to turn back and stay in the legs. The heart pumps the blood efficiently and it does not remain in your venous system. From the other hand the muscles of the leg which contract during standing up position and walking help the blood to go up to the heart.
So, you can see that there is no reason for fluid retention.
As the heart pumps enough blood, the renal function is preserved and the kidneys filtrate normally fluids. There is no reason to cause fluid retention.
The human body functions in this way. Sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system work in a coordinate way.
It is true that during physical activity, the activation of the sympathetic nervous system causes a slight decrease in the renal filtration, but it is all in a perfect equilibrium. When you sleep everything comes back to normality, because the parasympathetic nervous system is dominant during this physiological process.
So relax! Our body works independently by our thoughts or our daily activity! Homeostasis is the process that assures our body balances.
Hope to have clarified some of your uncertainties!
Thank you so much. So in absence of visible edema and my morning weight being stable, I dont need to worry? I feel so scared knowing I walked around for at least several months with a weak heart and never even knew. And yet at that time, I never thought of water retention or anything heart- related. Also my weight was stable even during heart failure yet my Pro BNP was over 8000. And I certainly didnt notice decreased urine even if that was happening. Does heart failure related water retention usually result in oliguria- very notable urine decrease and obvious weight gain? I am so conscious of very very tiny changes- like drinking half a liter of water and not feeling strong urgency sometimes and yet sometimes I do. I must stop, I know or I wont be able to work in Cambodia.
Thank uou so much for all your help. I know my last echo was just a month ago so all must be ok but the urge to get checked again is so strong.
Many many thanks,
I don't know how to make myself forget this. I am so conscious of every drop of water. a
Regarding your concern, I would explain that oliguria (low urine output) occurs only in the terminal or advanced stages of heart failure.
Daily urine output is related to several other factors, not related to heart failure.
That is why you have noticed them.
From the other hand, this is another reason for you to stop measuring your weight or urine output.
Your weight and urine output did not change when you were sick, and it is not a matter of concern for sure now that you are in perfect clinical conditions.
Heart failure is a clinical syndrome and you actually have none of its constituting components.
Your last performed echo confirms this. And you do not need a new echo for this reason.
So just relax!
Consulting with a psychotherapist could help you get out of the psychological circle. It seems that you are in this psychological cage or circle and can not get out of it.
It is time to move on, without fears.
I would recommend reading a book which will certainly help you with this problem: " Easier Than You Think ...because life doesn't have to be so hard", from the author XXXXXXX Carlson.
This book will help you make some small changes to your life, which can help you see things differently and manage your everyday fears. It is not boring, as you can find a part of yourself there.
Hope you will listen to my advice!
Thank you so much. It is very very helpful to know that oliguria is something which would only occur in very advanced heart failure. So it it possible that when I was ill in 2014, with Pro BNP of over 8000, and with EF of 25, that I wasn't experiencing oliguria? I didn't notice it, and wasn't prescribed lasix even though I had a cough. So there is another mechanism which is keeping water in the cells that goes beyond simple- water in- but not all coming out? I don't know why I am being so simple-minded, but it was imprinted on me that drinking any liquid was dangerous so I became quite certain that anything I drank would be retained and further weaken my heart. I guess I am confused because it is not clear to me if I was experiencing any edema while I was so sick- my doctors kept saying I had no peripheral edema and my lungs were clear, despite my cough, but obviously my heart was weak and I know I experienced some orthopnea.
I know I have to forget being hospitalized and having my liquids restricted and urine output measured. I cannot live this way. I know I have to trust my doctors and you. My echo was so recent and I am not due to have another for a year now.
So it is completely ridiculous that I try to stay still at my desk after drinking? Would my weight and urine output be probably nearly the same even if I was active, as I like to be? I do work out, every day, without fear, but I have somehow worked that into my crazy calculations. I am someone who hates to sit, but I make myself sit down to make sure I don't retain water. It is the biggest problem of my OCD.
I have just now bought Easier Than You Think and will begin reading tonight. I am holding on to the thought that oliguria only happens in advanced heart failure and remember that I do not have heart failure.
Thank you so much, Dr. Iliri.
My answer as follows:
I am glad you are listening to some of my advises!
I understand how you feel, but you should try to be more courageous with your daily routine.
If you are afraid to leave your desk after drinking, try to do some changes (reduce the time of staying there) gradually. You will see that nothing bad is going to happen.
This is a psychological method to help you gradually face with your fears.
Your heart is quite normal and everything is going to be all right.
Your body is not going to retain any fluids!
From the other hand, there is no need discussing on all the complicated pathological mechanisms that lead to fluid retention during heart failure.
You are out of this situation and should try to leave it back. It is not going to repeat again!
The more you think about it, the more your problems seem to become bigger and important. But they are not! In fact you are a healthy person now.
Hope you will enjoy reading this book, as I already did! It guides you through some small changes, which can help you get stronger, feel better and afford all your everyday problems with a more optimistic point of view.
I am always here whenever you will need me again!
Thank you for the suggestion of the Carlson book ; it is already helping a lot. So much of our world is created in our heads and I have unfortunately created a very scary world. Almost every night I still dream that I am waking up and my body is so overfilled with fluid that one could squeeze my arm and get water like a tap.
So is it true then that I could not cause heart failure by drinking too much but I also cannot "cure" it by measuring and sitting and being careful. I am not actually doing anything but torturing myself. Every day I am under the impression that my compulsions are what is keeping me out of heart failure. I used to be so fearless, almost to a fault, sometimes traveling on my own to dangerous places. Now I even fear the peaceful beach because I think at any time or place my heart will weaken again, without warning. That is, what this is about, I think I am trying to make sure I catch any heart changes before I get so sick and I've latched onto fluid as my old doctor kept stressing it so much.
So if my heart was weak, my ankles would swell, I'd be tired, and all those old symptoms would come back whether I measured my fluids and tried to keep my feet up or not. I am not doing anything medical. Would you tell your patients with cardiomyopathy to only lay down? My old dr had some very harsh ideas...
I will continue to read and work on my anxiety. I know I have to fix my thought patterns.
Thank you so much, for everything.
My answer as follows:
I am glad to have been helpful to you!
All the things that your have written are true. It is true that you can not prevent this disorder by being so cautious to what you drink and physical activity.
From the other hand you can not treat a disorder that you do not have.
So, actually all these things that you force yourself to do during the day have no impact on your heart or health. They are just limiting your life.
By doing all these things during the day, you try to calm your anxiety. But from the other hand you become dependent from these measures and think irrationally that everything depends from them and something bad will happen if you do not do these things. In real this makes you more anxious.
But, I can assure you that nothing bad will happen. Just believe in me! I am a specialist of this field (cardiology) and I can assure you about that!
Try to get out from this circle.
Try to make something different (avoid weighting yourself, try to forget what you drink). You will see that nothing will happen.
It is all in your mind. But you are the boss of your thoughts. You can guide them! Do not let the bad thoughts guide you!
Hope you will try making these small changes, which can change your whole life!
p.s.: Regarding my patients, I do not recommend them to law down. In fact this does not lead to any spectacular change in their situation.
Thank you, you are helping me so much. So all my compulsions are simple delusions as well? As I had healthy echo 5-6 weeks ago and nothing has changed- certainly my heart status remains the same?
So by the time I had decreased urine output, real water retention, and true heart dysfunction, I would have had other symptoms as well? I am so so focused on the water, and it would actually help me to think that other symptoms would come first. I don't think I even had decreased urine output when I was sick. I do know I was tired, with orthopnea and SOB when I was going up a lot of stairs. I do the stairmaster at the gym at high intensity now without any trouble. I know I have to rely on these things but my doctor's words echo in my head even as I am climbing stairs "water will get you- if you are told you are cured and go off meds, you will become overloaded with fluid and that's what will kill you." That sentence haunts me every minute of my life.
Thank you so much, Dr. Iliri. Your help means so so much to me.
I would recommend as follows:
I totally understand the way you feel!
It must have been really hard for you to go through this situation.
I would like to repeat you what I already mentioned before: heart failure is a clinical syndrome and it is composed of many clinical symptoms which you do not have.
From the other hand your recent cardiac ultrasound has resulted normal.
This means that you are perfectly normal and you have nothing to worry about!
Your main problem now is how to forget about those past bad thoughts which come forcefully into your mind. Just try not to think about it any more.
Think about something different, or try to remember my words when these thoughts knock into your mind : "You are normal and there is nothing wrong with you!".
When you try to weigh yourself of think about how many drinks you have taken through the day, try to stop yourself and think : "Why am I doing this? I am a normal healthy woman now! I do not need to do this any more!"
Everything is possible if you have faith and try to be more attentive to your thoughts. Do not let them guide you!
I will be always here to help you with your uncertainties!
Wishing all the best,
I am attaching a video of my leg/foot, as I noticed they looked quite red as I got out of the shower. Does it look like when I press, the white blanched spots are taking too long to bounce back to normal color? Does it look like my circulation isn't good? My legs were not tight or swollen, but looked flushed as I got out of the shower.
I am awaiting the official word of my state dept clearance but I am preparing for leaving as soon as I am approved and I am very very anxious. It is two months since my last echo and I am starting to think I will be too scared to travel overseas without a new echo. You said if I had any impending issues, it would have shown up on my echo last time? But I looked at my reports and couldn't help but notice how my EF reads, 65-70 last July and also in February 2016, but April was reported as 64, and then 65 in in XXXXXXX but 60-65, rather than 65-70. I know these are the small changes that are not signficant but I am so anxious that I keep looking at these reports again.
I am most afraid of being so active all day that I will not be able to adhere at all to my habit of trying to sit still after drinking water. In heart failure related oliguria is it very pronounced- meaning I would basically have no urine, rather than this small bit of variation I am trying to monitor myself with normal urine output? I keep thinking standing and walking makes me retain fluid and it's causing problems in my work. If this were the case, would I have had other symptoms first, such as visible edema or cough or something? I don't have other symptoms but am getting so frightened of being in another country now.
Until two years ago, I traveled all the time, for work and for vacation, but my doctor had said I should never get on a plane. I know I was sick then, but whenever I am afraid, that doctor's negative ominous words keep coming back.
Thank you, Dr Iliri, for everything. I am just getting so scared before I may have to leave and thinking I need to somehow get an echo to make sure I am ok to go. I see now my last echo was XXXXXXX 17th, so recent. I must calm down, I know, but I am so afraid.
Many many thanks,
My answer as follows:
I am glad to hear from you again on HCM!
The redness on your feet is just related to vasodilation from warm water during the shower. It will all come back to normal spontaneously.
They do not indicate any disorder. They are just a normal physiological reaction of the skin vessels to warm water.
So just relax and take a deep breath! Everything is OK with you. You have nothing to worry about.
Your recent performed echo has shown a normal heart structure and function.
This means that you are a perfectly normal person, able to live your life as you want and do everything you like, without hesitating.
All these small changes in your previous performed cardiac echo do not indicate anything abnormal. They are just related to interobserver variability, which means that it is the machine or the technique used by the performing doctor.
There is nothing to be concerned about.
You are now able to perform as much physical activity as you like and travel all over the world if this is what you want to do. Nothing bad is going to happen. I can assure this to you!
So try to calm down now! Just close your eyes and try to think about something beautiful. Beautiful thoughts are really good to our heart and brain.
You can try to go out if you wish, just for a walk or call a friend or a dear person and tell him how happy you are to have them near you.
This will make you feel better and forget about these bad thoughts. It is just a nightmare. Try to wake up!
You are a normal healthy woman. God has blessed you!
I am always here if you need me again!
I was trying to upload a video, but it looks like only images can be uploaded. This is the link to the video:
It shows my red foot, and then when I press on my skin and it blanches, I wondered if it was taking too long for the blood to come back, showing bad/slow circulation. I had seen something on the news about how this simple test of how quickly skin bounces back to normal is a sign of your cardiac health.
I feel so certain all the time that I need a new echo, that mine is outdated. I think I would feel better if I didn't know that in some months I will need another echo, and for me, I would rather it be sooner instead of later, when more damage may be found. I think constantly if only I had noticed that the skin on my shins was getting tight, I could have found my problem before I was so critically ill.
Then again, ever since I've been cured, I have been thinking that my urine output is too low, that I am retaining fluid, and it has been about 20 months and all my echoes are normal. My doctor says after next year's echo, maybe I won't need follow-up for many years unless I have symptoms. I wish, of course, that I had never gotten sick, as I haven't felt normal since I was diagnosed. How could it be that I didn't feel radically different at EF 25? I know I did have some symptons, as you have pointed out (tight shins, orthopnea, of course the PVCs) but I mostly feel normal.
So it would be very very strange to have water retention/low urine output as a first sign of returning cardiomyopathy? I would more likely have other symptoms before that? I need to be able to forget about fluid as I have so many work/parental duties going on and it's about to get much more intense when travel becomes a big part of my job. I cannot keep up the weighing/measuring and drinking on schedule while I am traveling. Are you sure that any control I feel in measuring and sitting/putting feet up is purely imaginary and if I were to behave normally, everything would just be the same?
Is it pointless for me to schedule an echo with another doctor? I know that any relief I feel is temporary, and within a month, I am as scared as ever. I don't know how to stop this fluid fear, and I know I have to shake it in order to live a normal life.
I am simply imagining that I am controlling heart failure and edema by doing crazy things? I can stop it?
Thank you, Dr. Iliri. You give me hope that I can beat these crazy fears.
Many many thanks. Happy weekend to you.
I would explain as follows:
I carefully viewed your uploaded video and would explain that these are just vasomotor changes due to warm water after shower. There is nothing to be concerned about.
They do not indicate any serious underlying cardiac disorder.
So relax! There is no need to perform a new cardiac echo.
Regarding oliguria, you should know that it is not a typical sign of heart failure. It occurs in advanced stages and there is no need to monitor the amount of water that you take and the amount that you eliminate with urine. It has no clinical significance and it is not a test used to monitor the first signs of heart failure.
As I already mentioned before, heart failure is a clinical syndrome and you have none of its components.
Besides, all your cardiac ultrasound have resulted normal.
I know that it is hard to live with your memories and you feel like tracked in them. But it is time to move on.
You are a healthy normal woman with a healthy heart. Try to live your life more easily. Try to enjoy it. You were given a second chance as you recovered completely by your heart disease.
It is not going to repeat again. Besides, there is nothing you can do to prevent it. You should keep this into your mind.
There is no need to limit your everyday life. It is not going to bring any benefits or risks to your life.
So just live your life as it comes!
Hope this answer will calm a little your concerned mind!
Feel free to ask me again whenever you need!
Wishing a nice weekend,
Thank you so much. I re-read your responses to remind myself all the time that I am ok. I hope that it will really start to stick with me soon.
I had an unfortunate setback tonight. I met an old friend who is an anesthesiologist who hadn't known about my illness. I told him about my PTSD and OCD and he said "don't worry, only a heart attack would cause rapid EF decline". I asked him about a slower decline and he said "well that's why you need to be followed closely". It made me feel scared, like I need more frequent echoes.
There is an online community of heart patients I sometimes visit and people often report dramatic EF changes from month to month, such as 15 to 45 or 45 to 15. These aren't people with PVC-induced cardiomyopathy, but all sorts of ailments but their stories worry me. At 8 months with no carvedilol, do you think I'm safely out of zone where medicine was making my heart stronger?
My doctor said that without shortness of breath or swollen feet, or 10-15 lbs of quickly gained weight, that I can relax. Would you agree? I sometimes feel like I can feel my heart enlarge and I know that's totally crazy. I am just always aware of my heart, of fluid, of any bodily sensations.
Are you sure my echo of 7 weeks ago is still sufficient to assure that I am still healthy?
Thank you so much,
My answer as follows:
I am glad that you find my answers helpful.
I understand the answer of your friend anesthesiologist, but you have no coronary risk factors and there is no chance that you have a heart attack.
From the other hand, there is no need to follow up closely. You have already done this before and all your cardiac tests have resulted normal.
Everything is going to be OK. You do not need to repeat these tests so frequently.
You can not feel your enlarged heart. There are no receptors for this in your heart. You can not even feel your heart position.
So relax! These are just irrational feelings. It is just the obsession that something bad is going to happen to your heart.
But, as a cardiologist, I can assure you that nothing is going to happen.
Your recent performed ultrasound is more than sufficient to assure that you are still healthy.
Just forget about cardiac ultrasounds for some months! Nothing is going to change.
And of course, you do not have any signs of heart failure.
So: no clinical signs and normal echo = no heart failure. It is just pure mathematics.
Try to have faith in me!
I am always at your disposal whenever you need me!
Thank you again, so much, for all your help. My doctor says I don't need an echo for a year (which means next June/July) and then only every three years. Do you think I should be examined more frequently? I am haunted by the people (and they are actively ill, so I know it's different) who report on heart boards that their EF has gone down from just weeks/months before. I have had normal echoes now for 19 months, and have been off of all medications now for over 8 months. Do you think I am out of the zone where my improvement would have been solely from medication? I think I worry so much because I know there is always another echo coming up. If they were done forever I would think it was over, but I always think I need one sooner, to catch any damage before it's too late.
A doctor wrote on the heart discussion board that EF never goes down without a disease process and that with a lowered EF you cannot exert yourself and you would know that something was happening. Would you agree with that? So without PVCs, I would need a new disease process in order for my EF to fall? And as I had symptoms before (as mild as they seemed at the time, I know now they were alarming, like waking up out of breath, and not being able to walk up stairs without resting) would I have them again if I were sick? I become obsessed with the idea of having an EF of 50- somewhat low but almost normal and unnoticeable until it goes all the way down to heart failure where I was before. I feel like I need monthly echo or no echo. I can't stop thinking about EF and echo.
So I know I must stop this. As I am packing for a work trip, I am packing two scales- one for measuring my food and one for measuring my weight. And I have drink cups with measurements so I can drink the exact same amount each time. This must stop but I can't seem to stop as it feels protective. I panic as soon as I empty my bladder that I will never be able to urinate again- that all the water will stay in my body. I dream of being able to squeeze water out of my skin!
Thank you, Dr. Iliri. I am trying very hard, as I have so many challenges and opportunities approaching. I know I need to get over this obsession but your clinical advice is so valuable to me, as my own doctors simply tell me to relax without being willing to explain why I can relax. You have been critical in my improvement. I hope I am able to live a normal life again. I know you will have been a big factor in my recovery.
Thank you so much,
I am glad you are preparing yourself for the trip. New experiences are exactly what you need.
I don't think that you need more frequent cardiac ultrasound. Once in a year is OK for you. I don't expect things to change even in such a time distance.
You have been free of medication and this is enough time for you to make some predictions for your future: everything is going to be OK.
You are going to live a normal life.
And certainly you do not need any scale. They will just calm your anxiety, but sometimes they do complicate things, as our body balances are not always like mathematics ( we can not calculate other fluids like sweating, gastro-intestinal fluids, tears, saliva, vaginal discharge, etc..)
So relax and do not worry about it.
You do not need any scale to show that everything is all right.
You should try to live a normal life and normal persons do not weigh themselves and their food all the time.
Regarding EF, I agree with your doctor that there is much more in heart failure than just EF. It is a complete clinical syndrome, full of symptoms and you have none of them.
So, your life and thoughts should not depend on some small variations on EF. This is not rational.
I wish you a nice trip, full of adventure and new beautiful experiences, which will make you forget about the past!
I am always here (consider me your personal online doctor) whenever will need me again!
In my fear and obsession before I travel across the world, I've been doing research about heart and kidney function and posture, and everything I see compares people being upright or being supine or prone. I spend much time sitting, at a desk, and in my mind, I am helping my body not retain fluid, but is sitting the same as standing in terms of possibly retaining water?
Also- I was at the emergency room with my niece (for her minor injury and she's fine) and we could hear the entire visit next to us. A young woman explained she had a weak heart with EF 45-50 with no known reason. My ears pricked up because this is my great fear- having minor dysfunction with no outward signs, and then finally becoming very very sick with CHF as I did. What would cause someone to just start to have a weakening heart? At EF 50 (my nightmare) would this young woman have been having symptoms? Would she be described as having heart disease? I am always so afraid of starting to slowly get sick in this way.
If I was retaining water, would my ankles/lower legs definitely be noticeably swollen? I take comfort in my legs which show no signs of edema, but I am always always looking for other signs somehow that my recovery period has ended and I am getting sick.
THank you so much, dear Dr Iliri.
I would explain as follows:
I understand your concern, and would like to explain that no matter in what position you stay during the day, your heart is able to work appropriately and pumps the blood normally.
So there is no risk of fluid retention and edema as long as you have a normal heart.
Your heart function and fluid balance does not depend from your body position during the day.
So relax and don't worry about that!
You should try not to thing about it!
Regarding the lady that you have seen in the ER, I would explain that there are many causes of heart failure including viral infections causing myocarditis, pregnancy, genetic disorders, autoimmune disorders, etc..
But these causes are not frequent.
You should try not to think about them.
If we doctors, thought about every cardiac disorder which can occur to us, we would go crazy. Medical students have this problem sometimes during the first year of the university. If you study medicine, you take a lot of information regarding thousands of medical disorders. You can get into troubles if you think of every disorder as personal or if you evaluate your personal risk to have that disorder.
But we just don't think about them!
These are quite irrational fears.
And let me tell you a secret: Usually people do not suffer from many disorders at the same time, especially when they are young.
You have already gone through a cardiac problem, which fortunately resolved and you recovered completely from that.
You are not going to get sick again! Everything is going to be OK.
I think God has reserved some happy days for you. You should only try to enjoy them and your new professional experiences through all over the world.
Hope to have calmed a little your overthinking mind!
Thank you so much. This week my mother was prescribed hospice and my father, a long time diabetic, was diagnosed with kidney failure, so my anxiety and stress are high. My EP believes stress from taking care of my sick parents and my divorce contributed to my PVCs so I get nervous when things are so stressful.
I am trying to believe everything you (and my cardiologist,( who agrees with everything you say)But it's so difficult as my OCD has become so overpowering since my cardiomyopathy and ICU stay.
I am humiliated by this, but over the last three days, I have decided to measure voiding output in the evening when I am home- drinking 750 ml of herbal tea- over the following two hours I have had 500 ml, 900ml, and 700 ml output. I know there are so many variables, such as what I have already drunk previously and the timing of when I am drinking, etc. but my OCD is such that all eating/drinking occur at the exact same time, and with the exact same measured amounts. The only variable in the evening would be if I am sitting/relaxing or if I am moving around and doing things like housework. Is this a normal amount of variation? I have to stop feeling like I cannot move around after eating/drinking as it will not be possible once I am traveling for work. I wish my former dr had never told me to always put my feet up if I had anything to eat or drink because I would retain water otherwise.
I don't have any visible edema, my feet and ankles/legs never seem to swell but can that happen and not be visible? My weight is usually 1.5 to 2 lbs heavier at night but usually back to normal by morning. When it seems to stay up 1 lb in the morning, I am sure I am in heart failure (my doctor said go to ER immediately if I was up 1 lb) and have to struggle not to take myself to the hospital.
Maybe I need another echo to calm down. But my doctor will see no need and I will need to find another dr who will have a different tech, different machine, different interpretation, etc. and I know I will be writing you, panicking that new dr said my EF was only 55 or it had gone up to 75 (once the calculated EF I saw on echo machine was 81, though dr looked and said 60). I wish I had never heard of EF. But is it true that without an active disease process EF will always stay in a normal range ?
I am trying to remain calm, but the worry and the OCD is just overtaking me. You are such a source of knowledge and hope, though. THank you so much.
Wishing you a wonderful weekend,
I would recommend as follows:
I am sorry about your parents!
Life has a natural progression of its own, but it is really hard to see your beloved family persons while suffering.
Regarding your small variations in urine output and body weight, I would explain that they are quite normal and occur in every healthy persons.
The difference is that not everyone measures his urine output or body weight fluctuations during the day.
So relax, it is just a little anxiety.
It is not going to harm your heart.
I would recommend taking some anxiolytic supplements like chamomile, Ginseng, Passion flower, Valerians, etc which can help you feel better.
I know you are going through a hard period.
But it is going to be OK.
Your EF is not going to change (except for possible interobserver variability).
I would also recommend consulting with your psychiatrist, because you may need to increase the dose of your antidepressant or start one if you are not taking actually, to help you get through this hard period.
Hope you will find this answer helpful!
Do not hesitate to ask me again whenever you need!
Wishing a nice weekend,
Thank you so much. I have been needing to provide more medical records for my security clearance and came upon my MRI of November 2014. I had so many pvcs they could not measure EF or get LV measurements. But I had midwall stripe which I know now is a sign of very poor prognosis. I know in studies, people with that stripe are normally dead before a year. Do you think that means anything for my future now? I know after that MRI (done by famous cardiac imaging specialist at NIH) my doctors all seemed to think I had a poor chance of surviving. It was my determination to find a cause that led me to find my EP despite my doctors telling me I was doomed.
I am still so confused. I had severely enlarged LV, right heart also starting to fail, bad mitral regurg, pro BNP over 8000, low EF, but I was still going to the gym every day. I was more tired, and I had orthopnea and tired
and after diagnosis, I realized my shins were quite tight, but I was never out of breath during normal activity and my weight was stable. Also despite the orthopnea I didn't have pleural effusion and I was never prescribed diuretics. I always assume when I was that sick, I must have been retaining a lot of water and had reduced urine output which is why I am so crazy and vigilant now, but is it possible that I was so sick and yet urine and weight were normal? I just wish now that I had felt very very sick during my illness so that I could be reassured that I am well now. As I felt mostly well during my illness, I keep thinking I have to be so careful. I am quite convinced that keeping track of my drinking/urination is keeping me healthy.
Of course I do research on fluid retention and I read that sitting or standing for long periods can cause swollen legs. My legs/ankles/feet never have any visible edema. My thought is then that I should walk constantly, but then I always think I urinate less when I am active. I know that this pattern of thinkng simply cannot continue but I can't stop. I take buspar, xanax. I see a therapist and a psychiatrist but I don't feel they help me very much.
Tonight as I read about studies on that midwall stripe, I know I should feel lucky, but instead I feel doomed, as if I belong in that group of people who have all died now. It is so strange to have been told to plan my own funeral and then weeks later be told I'm cured. I think my mind hasn't yet processed my recovery because I am afraid I will be told that, in fact, I am incurably ill and will be dead soon.
Thank you Dr Iliri. I am so thankful for you and your words of calmness as well as your explanation of clinical matters. I am hopeful this is all temporary and I will be enjoying my life as a healthy person again soon.
I would explain as follows:
Welcome back on HCM!
Regarding your concern, I would explain that it is true that the presence of midwall stripe on cardiac MRI from many studies has resulted to have a higher rate of morbidity.
But, let me explain to you how these studies are made:
They compare the data and outcome in two different groups (with and without stripe). The conclusions are based on the difference between the two groups which consist of a high number of persons. But there are also differences between outcome of the individuals inside the group, which are not taken into consideration.
Besides, your case is different, because you have an identified cause of heart failure that was treated successfully with cardiac ablation. After removing the cause, there is no reason for this pattern to persist. So it has resolved.
It is all over now and it is not going to repeat again.
There is no scientific reason for you to have fluid retention.
So, you can live as you like. You can do as much physical activity or rest as much as you want. Nothing bad is going to happen to you!
So, try to enjoy your life.
You can do this only if you try not to think about the past.
Hope to have clarified some of your uncertainties!
Thank you so much, for everything. You do help me, very much, but I know I have to try harder if I ever want to feel normal again. I feel so much damage was done to me by the one bad doctor I had, who told me I had no chance and I would overload with fluid and die and yet I cannot seem to have the same confidence in far superior doctors like you and my current cardiologist and electphysiologist.
I know my best route is to simply forget, as you have said, and my other doctors, but I find that so hard to do. All day as I am on my feet, I worry worry worry about fluid even while I smile and pretend that I am ok. When I get home, I quickly make my son's dinner so that I can put my feet up as much as possible. Are you sure that that I am purely imagining that I am urinating less when I am walking around rather than sitting? I know that most people are at most risk of retaining water when sitting still, like when on a long flight. So is walking around actually better than sitting when it comes to my great fear of fluid retention?
I read that the best way to test for ankle swelling is to measure with a millimeter tape. Because I am so crazy, I actually did that today. My morning measurement appears to be the same as my end of night measurement. My weight is about 1.5 lbs heavier at night than in morning. Would you say ankles being the same size is good evidence (along with everything else) that I have no water retention?
I am attaching a photo of my dear little son, because I feel as if you are my doctor, and have helped me so much, and if I were able to see you in your practice, I would have shown you a photo or you'd have met him. Also a photo of my ankle/foot at end of night, because I'm crazy and always looking for signs of swelling.
Thank you so much for all your help. As I nervously await my medical clearance, I thank you for allowing me to get through most of my days with less anxiety than I had previously.
THank you so much,
Oh and one last thing, I'm sorry- is there any theory as to why the stripe is significant and why it develops? Is it there before the heart problem? In my case, my doctors took it very seriously and after it was discovered on MRI, I was downgraded significantly and told I would need a transplant within months or I would not make it for very long. Could it be the sign of anything else I need to watch out for?
Many many thanks, again, as always.
You have nothing to worry about!
I am happy to know your son. He is really gorgeous.
And you look great too, just a normal person. Your ankles are quite normal and you have no sign of possible edema.
The perimeter of your ankles is an indicator of possible edema. The fact that you have no changes in the ankle perimeters during the day excludes the possibility of fluid retention or edema.
The changes on your body weight are certainly related to your metabolism. They are quite normal variations which occur in every healthy person.
So you have nothing to worry about!
Regarding the myocardial stripes, this is a theory which needs more studies. They are considered a possible fibrosis sign and are being studies as a prognostic factor in heart failure patients. There are not clinical based evidence to support this.
From the other hand your case was different from others. All your symptoms recovered as you had an identifiable and treatable cause of heart failure.
So, it is all over now! You shouldn't worry about anything.
Try to enjoy your life and try to concentrate on your son, give and receive love from him.
There is no greater love than than a sons love, who can cure every wound of your heart and soul.
I am always here whenever you need me again!
Wishing all the best,
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