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What Causes Rectal Pain With History Of Stage 4 Liver Cancer?

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Posted on Wed, 24 Sep 2014
Question: This is my mother's 3rd relapse which has shown progression to her liver. She was diagnosed at stage 4 in 2006 with mets to her bones, lymph nodes and right breast. She then had 6 months taxotere, 12 rounds of radiotherapy, double mastectomy which completely removed her cancer. She was on hormonal therapy for one and half year, on arimedix but could not continue as she felt side effects were too much, especially bone pain and hot flashes.

Until XXXXXXX 2013 she did not show any clinical signs of cancer. XXXXXXX 2013 her progression was with extensive bone mets her spine, shoulder, hip, and couple of spots on skull. She then continued with tamoxifen and zolendronic acid. But since May 2013 she had many problems including frequent infections, acute renal failure and then recently in Feb 2014 pathological fracture to right hip joint. In May she diagnosed with progression to liver. That is when we started NAB paclitaxel chemo, she showed significant improvement right after first cycle, tumor markers dropped more than 60%, after 2nd cycle liver mets were not detectable on USG. Now after 3rd cycle she is suffering with server leg pain, especially calves and thighs to some extent. She has been diabetic but never had leg pain like this before. She is also vitamin D deficient which we have started additionally. She is also persistently having rectal pain, feel like she will have bowl movement all the time. I suppose that is because of paclitaxel. Please advise.

My mother had the PET CT scan, please find attached Pet Scan Report 27 Aug 2014.pdf . I think she responded well to first three cycles. She has given break and will start the 4th cycle with single dose than 3 weekly doses.

Unfortunately, her rectal pain is still there. She is no longer constipated We have had Gastrointestinologist investigation and that came out clear. She did not have any fever episode since last 2-3 weeks so I guess it cannot be infection. She has been having this rectal pain since last 2 weeks, could this be because of paclitaxel neuropathy? Her oncologist doesn't believe so. Neurologist is suggesting a nerve irritation but no one is very sure of that. She did have MRI 3 weeks back there was no indication of nerve compression. Can this be pudendal neuralgia? We feel like lost as my mother is continue to be in discomfort and we are not able to find the reason for the persistent rectal pain. She did have similar pain after first cycle but that did not last more than 7 days.
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Answered by Dr. Prashant Sharma (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
Please have a look on abscess.

Detailed Answer:
Hi dear.

As there is response to drug, so we should continue with that.
The rectal pain as you explained seems to be a radiating pain that means pathology is somewhere else. This is also explained by gastroenterologist that his examination is normal. So the causes may be. ...
1. Neuralgia due to nerve compression- this is the most common cause. Usually followed by some minor trauma.
2. Neuropathy due to paclitaxel - this may be a cause. But it usually causes numbness and dull pain. I have seen patients with pain in perineum. But such type of pain is never seen.
3. As pet scan report says there is an abscess of 5 cm size in ilio-psoas region, this is quite big and may cause symptoms of radiating pain. This should be treated if no other cause is justified.
Presence of infection in body in form of abscess is a contraindication for further chemotherapy.

Feel free to ask further.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Ashwin Bhandari
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Follow up: Dr. Prashant Sharma (6 hours later)
Thank you Doctor.

She had been treated for abscess with 6 weeks of antibiotics. Her blood lab has been stable and normal since last 3 weeks, with no redness or numbness at the specific area of abscess. She doesn't even have the pain she had before antibiotic treatment. Do you still think this could be related abscess? Would you suggest any further investigations? She does have leg pain but that is in both the legs.
Also, I would also like to ask about her leg pain. The severity of leg pain has gone up after 3rd cycle of paclitaxel and as she is on break, even after 3 weeks since last paclitaxel weekly dose she has the leg pain. How long the leg pain persists?

She has been on weekly dose until 3rd cycle but now her oncologist wants her to shift on once in 3 weekly lower dose of 175mg/m2, is that reasonable plan considering her rectal pain and leg pain issue?

Thanks again for your help.
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Answered by Dr. Prashant Sharma (17 hours later)
Brief Answer:
New USG

Detailed Answer:
Hi dear.

Antibiotics will kill the bacteria, but pus may remain causing pressure symptoms. A sonography will detect if the pus is remaining. If no other cause is there, we will attribute this to paclitaxel induced neuropathy.

Leg pain seems to be due to paclitaxel which worsens with every dose of drug. It is difficult to treat. Weekly dose of paclitaxel has got less blood related side effects & weakness, but more peripheral neuropathy. If the drug is continued the pain will continue. Pregabaline with the name of lyrica may help sometimes.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Vaishalee Punj
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Follow up: Dr. Prashant Sharma (38 minutes later)
Thank you doctor, do you mean to say that pain will continue and may worsen even with one 3 weekly dose of 175 mg/m2?
I mean both the rectal and leg pain. Is this reversible once all the cycles are complete and if so how long does it take to recover?
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Answered by Dr. Prashant Sharma (4 hours later)
Brief Answer:
pregabalin should be started.

Detailed Answer:
Hi,

Usually pain is reversible when drug is stopped. it depends on the individual for how long it will stay. the pain is more in diabetics or in pre existing neuropathy. The medicines may help in recovery.

Regards,
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Raju A.T
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Follow up: Dr. Prashant Sharma (17 hours later)
Thank you Doctor. She is on lyrica and Amitone 10. She feels comfortable only when in sleep otherwise pain is quite persistent. About Abscess, USG did not show any pus. Her today's HB is 8.7, platelet 120,000 (almost unchanged since last 2 weeks ) and WBC is in normal range. Would you now attribute the rectal and leg pain to paclitaxel? Anything else we can do to manage pain?
Also, considering the last weekly dose that she had three weeks back, is it worrisome to have platelets still below normal level. She was to start her full dose tomorrow but her doctor postponed it for another week saying low platelets.
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Answered by Dr. Prashant Sharma (22 hours later)
Brief Answer:
continue medicines.

Detailed Answer:
Hi dear.

Her Hb is low 8.7, so she needs a unit of blood transfusion before chemotherapy.
In my opinion 120000 platelet count is enough to start chemotherapy. Usually we take 1 lakh as cut off. The advise according to the experience of your oncologist is to be considered.

If the platelet is below normal level, it is a subject to worry. This means that bone marrow is not making platelets properly. This is usually the limiting factor in dosing the chemotherapy.

One of my patients had same problem with gemcitabine and finally we had to change the regimen.
If she is benefited with lyrica, means it is neuropathy, the cause may be anything. So continue with the drug. Divert her mind to some other work or subjects in day time.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Ashwin Bhandari
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Follow up: Dr. Prashant Sharma (31 hours later)
Hello Doctor,

My mother had a very high grade fever day before yesterday night, she was then treated with IV antibiotics for two days and there was no fever episode since day before yesterday morning. But, today we had her blood culture report which says fungal infection. Her doctor has advised to start antifungals and stop antibiotics. She has been on central line catheter for last 4 weeks. We are not sure who is the culprit here for this infection but how do we go from here? Do we need to stop the next chemo cycle until this clears off?

Also does this fungal infection may have anything to do with her rectal pain?
Just to clarify she had fever 48 hours back and after the start of antibiotic fever did not return.
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Answered by Dr. Prashant Sharma (23 hours later)
Brief Answer:
see below.

Detailed Answer:
hi.
long term iv catheters are most common cause of positive blood culture. ideally the cause should be removed, so remove the old central line. in such case experience of treating consultant matters. antifungals will treat infection .
of-course, yes chemo should not be given till infection is treated.
fungal infection is not related to rectal pain.
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Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Vinay Bhardwaj
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What Causes Rectal Pain With History Of Stage 4 Liver Cancer?

Brief Answer: Please have a look on abscess. Detailed Answer: Hi dear. As there is response to drug, so we should continue with that. The rectal pain as you explained seems to be a radiating pain that means pathology is somewhere else. This is also explained by gastroenterologist that his examination is normal. So the causes may be. ... 1. Neuralgia due to nerve compression- this is the most common cause. Usually followed by some minor trauma. 2. Neuropathy due to paclitaxel - this may be a cause. But it usually causes numbness and dull pain. I have seen patients with pain in perineum. But such type of pain is never seen. 3. As pet scan report says there is an abscess of 5 cm size in ilio-psoas region, this is quite big and may cause symptoms of radiating pain. This should be treated if no other cause is justified. Presence of infection in body in form of abscess is a contraindication for further chemotherapy. Feel free to ask further.