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Posted on Fri, 24 Jun 2016
Question: Dad approximately 3 months tried to get up and simply couldn’t. Dad has always been an independent man with no mobility problems. We took Dad to the hospital who thought Dad had had a TIA. After assessment TIA was ruled out.

Dads main symptoms were severe pain in left thigh and leg and when he tried to stand up his legs would just collapse underneath him. Dad does have some numbness in his leg. This all started in his left leg but has now developed to the right leg (right leg is now much worse than the left with exactly the same symptoms, numbness, pain and legs collapse underneath him. Numbness in left leg has now resolved but still has it in his right leg. Dads feet are always stone cold and he says he cant tell himself without touch whether both feet are hot or cold. Dad has no upper limb symptoms.

At the moment Dad can’t get from a sitting to standing position yet his left leg now has full power and can leg raise with full range of movement. The right leg however he can hardly lift it up, Dads left leg was like this at first but now the leg seems to be resolving though Dad can still not walk or stand.

We have had a follow up appointment with the Stroke Team who have now discharged Dad as they say his condition is not stroke related.

We have seen a Neurologist and are awaiting EMG studies plus MRI scan and Occupational Therapy input. Neurologist gave us no hope what so ever and said there is no treatment and reversing what is wrong with Dad. I am sure medicine these days there must be something.



Please find below the letter we got from the Neurologist:



Diagnosis: likely diabetic motor sensory neuropathy



Thank you for referring this 68 year old right handed gentleman to the Neurology clinic. He has had Diabetes since 2000. His control was previously poor though has improved in the last 9 months. Mr Bridge has a previous history of osteomyelitis for which he was treated long term antibiotics (18 months of antibiotics). He now describes a 2 month history of progressive weakness of both legs. He also described numbness in the legs. His arms bowel bladder speech and swallowing is unaffected.



On examination today his cranial nerves were unremarkable. Examination of limbs revealed normal tone. Power was normal in both arms and legs. Hip flexion was reduced to 3/5 bilaterally. Reflexes were absent in the legs but present in the arms. Sensation to pinprick was reduced distally in the legs but was present in the arms. Vibration sense was absent up to the hips. There were no fasciculation’s visible.



I suspect this gentleman has quite a severe axonal motor sensory neuropathy secondary to his diabetes. I have explained that this is not a treatable condition but we need to exclude any more treatable condition but we need to do some further investigations to exclude anymore treatable causes. I am arranging MRI scan of lumbar spine to make sure there is no cord pathology or nerve root compression and some nerve conduction studies to quantify the extent of his nerve damage.



Questions:

1. Do you have any idea what is wrong with my Dads legs?

2. How can we get Dad XXXXXXX even with a Zimmer (Dad still falls with a frame)

3. Do you think this condition can resolve or get better?

4. If Dad can move legs freely whilst sat down why can he not stand up without legs collapsing or him falling?

5. What is axonal motor sensory neuropathy and do you agree this is what is wrong? Can it get any better?

6. Will my Dad ever walk again even with a Zimmer/Walking Stick?

7. What can we do to try and help Dad?

8. Will Dad ever be able to drive again?

9. I have heard my Dads condition can improve with time with a conservative measure what are your thoughts please?



Since all the above Dad has been admitted into hospital and he has had an MRI scan. The MRI scan has shown a spine bulging disc. Could this be my dads problem and not neuropathy at all?



Dads symptoms seem to be resolving the numbness, pain in thighs but Dad can not stand up.



We have Nerve Conduction Studies in a few days time.



Please help me I am so worried. The hospital say there is nothing to worry about and they are expecting Nerve Conduction Studies to come back okay.



Dad results are as follows:

MRI Spine

1. Severe canal narrowing at L5-S1 secondary to a central/left central disc protrusion on a background of a developmentally narrow canal.

2. Moderate L4-5 canal narrowing.

3. No other new features. No cord compression.



EMG/NCS

There is a sensory-motor axonopathy affecting his lower limbs which has non-length dependent and asymmetrical features consistent with his clinical findings. Overall, considering his clinical and electrophysiological features I feel it is likely this represents a Diabetic Lumbosacral Radiculo-Plexus Neuropathy (DLRPN)



I cannot exclude that abnormalities seen on sensory conduction studies are not pre-existent findings that could represent a pre-existent mild sensory axonal neuropathy considering her reports diabetic retinopathy

Can dads spinal problem first try to be treated with physical therapy as I think this is the first step at the moment
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Answered by Dr. Olsi Taka (3 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Read below.

Detailed Answer:
Hello and thank you for choosing again HealthcareMagic, I am sorry if that means your dad is still not feeling well.

Now to answer your 8 questions:

1.     Do you have any idea what is wrong with my Dads legs?

Yes, now that the exams are complete and having the neurologist’s report I think it can be confidently said that there is nerve damage due to diabetes. It is not the most typical form which affect mainly the peripheral nerves, but it is a less common form affecting the more major nerves, right after they leave the spine.

2. How can we get Dad XXXXXXX even with a Zimmer (Dad still falls with a frame)

The best and only way is through diabetes control and physical therapy. Some multivitamins are often added hoping for them to help the nerve to regenerate. If in pain neuropathic pain medication like gabapentin, pregabalin or duloxetin are used (only if in pain, do not alter disease course).

3. Do you think this condition can resolve or get better?

To completely resolve is unlikely, but through above measures can get better. As you say his left leg has in fact got a little better.

4. If Dad can move legs freely whilst sat down why can he not stand up without legs collapsing or him falling?

Because while some strength is preserved due to the nerve damage there is still a degree of weakness. While when sitting the amount of strength left is enough to move the limbs, when standing they have to also cope with the extra body weight, for which they are not strong enough yet, so succumb and falls.

5. What is axonal motor sensory neuropathy and do you agree this is what is wrong? Can it get any better?

Neuropathy is a term for nerve damage. “motor sensory” means it has affected both types of nerves, those responsible for motor function and those responsible for sensation. The axon is the nerve shaft. The damage can be to the axon itself or to the layers around it, so axonal means damage to the nerve shaft. So in conclusion axonal motor sensory neuropathy means damage to the nerve shafts involving both sensory and motor nerves.
Whether I agree, yes now that it has been confirmed with nerve conduction studies I agree. As for getting better as I said there can be some improvement with strict diabetes control and physical therapy, but improvement won’t be overnight but over several months.

6. Will my Dad ever walk again even with a Zimmer/Walking Stick?

It can not be predicted with certainty, but since there is movement there is hope for gradually to be able to.

7. What can we do to try and help Dad?

Not much apart from standing near him, make sure he is getting diabetes treatment regularly and monitoring glucose levels, motivate him and help him to get to his physical therapy sessions.

8. Will Dad ever be able to drive again?

The answer is similar to the question on improvement and walking, possible but not certain.

9. I have heard my Dads condition can improve with time with a conservative measure what are your thoughts please?

Yes as I said before some degree of improvement can take place, not 100% as he used to be, but can get better and able to move.


As for the last question on spinal problem, if you mean for the spinal stenosis, yes physical therapy is the initial step in order to progress its progression.

I remain at your disposal for other questions.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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What Does This Spine MRI Report Indicate?

Brief Answer: Read below. Detailed Answer: Hello and thank you for choosing again HealthcareMagic, I am sorry if that means your dad is still not feeling well. Now to answer your 8 questions: 1. Do you have any idea what is wrong with my Dads legs? Yes, now that the exams are complete and having the neurologist’s report I think it can be confidently said that there is nerve damage due to diabetes. It is not the most typical form which affect mainly the peripheral nerves, but it is a less common form affecting the more major nerves, right after they leave the spine. 2. How can we get Dad XXXXXXX even with a Zimmer (Dad still falls with a frame) The best and only way is through diabetes control and physical therapy. Some multivitamins are often added hoping for them to help the nerve to regenerate. If in pain neuropathic pain medication like gabapentin, pregabalin or duloxetin are used (only if in pain, do not alter disease course). 3. Do you think this condition can resolve or get better? To completely resolve is unlikely, but through above measures can get better. As you say his left leg has in fact got a little better. 4. If Dad can move legs freely whilst sat down why can he not stand up without legs collapsing or him falling? Because while some strength is preserved due to the nerve damage there is still a degree of weakness. While when sitting the amount of strength left is enough to move the limbs, when standing they have to also cope with the extra body weight, for which they are not strong enough yet, so succumb and falls. 5. What is axonal motor sensory neuropathy and do you agree this is what is wrong? Can it get any better? Neuropathy is a term for nerve damage. “motor sensory” means it has affected both types of nerves, those responsible for motor function and those responsible for sensation. The axon is the nerve shaft. The damage can be to the axon itself or to the layers around it, so axonal means damage to the nerve shaft. So in conclusion axonal motor sensory neuropathy means damage to the nerve shafts involving both sensory and motor nerves. Whether I agree, yes now that it has been confirmed with nerve conduction studies I agree. As for getting better as I said there can be some improvement with strict diabetes control and physical therapy, but improvement won’t be overnight but over several months. 6. Will my Dad ever walk again even with a Zimmer/Walking Stick? It can not be predicted with certainty, but since there is movement there is hope for gradually to be able to. 7. What can we do to try and help Dad? Not much apart from standing near him, make sure he is getting diabetes treatment regularly and monitoring glucose levels, motivate him and help him to get to his physical therapy sessions. 8. Will Dad ever be able to drive again? The answer is similar to the question on improvement and walking, possible but not certain. 9. I have heard my Dads condition can improve with time with a conservative measure what are your thoughts please? Yes as I said before some degree of improvement can take place, not 100% as he used to be, but can get better and able to move. As for the last question on spinal problem, if you mean for the spinal stenosis, yes physical therapy is the initial step in order to progress its progression. I remain at your disposal for other questions.