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What Causes Pain And Numbness In Scrotum Post Vasectomy Reversal Surgery?

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Posted on Mon, 15 Jun 2015
Question: Hello I have been talking to a Dr. Chandrakant in XXXXXXX about my problem and I was wondering if I could get a second opinion on the answer that he gave me. He was very kind and I felt that he may have even given me a good solution but I don't know if I made myself understood about how reluctant and afraid of getting another operation that I am. I am a slow healer and each operation has either made me worse off than I was before or took me so long to heal that I lost a year of my life with each operation I just don't know if I can handle another unsuccessful operation. You have my ok to read our correspondence.

Sorry if my ipad messed my first paragraph but it is a new device to me.

Does this sound like a simple and correct path for me to take? Every surgeon that has operated on me has told me that the recovery would be simple as a few weeks to a month at the most! Only to have me right back where I started from or worse off than I was before a year later!

One surgeon (urologist) said that he had never seen anyone have the problems and mass of dead sperm in the (epididimis) canal only to call me back a few weeks later to tell me that he operated on someone else that had the same large amount of dead sperm cells and he told me he was fine. He also said that the 2 injections that stopped the pain ment that I was likely a good candidate for the reverse vasectomy clearing up my problem and that the shots would only relieve my pain for a few hours. Yet the surgeon that specializes in pain after vasectomy said that the shots would last a week or so and that would tell us if they should operate.

Why does one surgeon say that the nerve block would only last a few hours and the other surgeon says that it would last a few days to a few weeks. This is very confusing. Are there different kind of nerve blocks that will deaden the pain in the scrotal area? Why does one say a few hours and the other say a few days?

Is the operation that Dr. Chandrakant suggested to me really that common and simple? And to what degree of numbness do people experience? Will I loose 10% of feeling 20% ...just what kind of numbness can I expect in that area if I have the nerves cut in the inguinal canal?

Thank you if someone who has dealt with this specific problem has time to answer. I would so much appreciate a definitive and coordinated answer, but if it is not, i need to know.

Thank you
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Answered by Dr. Rishi (24 hours later)
Brief Answer:
I suggest nerve block is a better option than Neurectomy.

Detailed Answer:
Hello.
I am overwhelmed to hear the ordeal you have undergone.
I am wondering why you underwent the Vasectomy reversal. We usually do reversal operations for people who wish to conceive after having undergone a Vasectomy. There is no other indication for the said surgery in my knowledge. My opinion about your Vasectomy reversal surgery in your case is that it was not warranted.
The pain you were experiencing at that time could have been dealt with nerve blocks or Neurolysis or Neurectomy up front depending upon the grade of the pain.
About the nerve blocks. Different blocks last for different periods of time depending upon the drug injected.
If it is a drug like Lignocaine which we use for Surgery then it lasts for 2 to 4 hours only. If we use a longer acting Local anaesthetic like Bupivacaine the effect can last for 10 to 12 hours.
If the drug used is a Steroid with or without a local anaesthetic then the effect can last upto a few months.
If you are crippled by the pain then you can undergo Nerve blocks with steroids or go ahead with a Neurectomy. It is a simple enough surgery but will lead to loss of sensation around the genital area and upper thigh region. The pain relief will be known while being operated if they operate under local anesthesia. If they give you Spinal anesthesia or General anesthesia then you will not know.
It is not a common surgical procedure but has the potential to give good relief.
However, I would advice against surgery if the pain is not crippling you.
You can continue with nerve blocks after discussing with your Pain care Anesthetist and they can help you with longer lasting blocks. If they fail repeatedly then only surgery should be completed.
Since you have undergone multiple surgical procedures and have difficulty in healing then Surgery should be your last option.
And if the Neurectomy does not give you satisfactory relief then again you will be thinking of Orchidectomy.
It is a very difficult call to take but that is something you will have to decide.
If I was your treating Surgeon, I would like to know the reason of your pain by means of seeing the intra-scrotal structures with the help of an Ultrasound of the scrotum. If a cause for the pain is evident then we should target treating that. So if an Ultrasound has been done please upload the report so that we can review it.
Do let me know if I could be of any help. The problem is complex and there is no single right answer.
But do not worry, I hope you will be relieved of your ailments soon.
Take care,
Dr Rishi, New XXXXXXX XXXXXXX
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Shanthi.E
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Follow up: Dr. Rishi (34 hours later)
Thank You so much for your candid reply and your questioning of the reversal as the first choice of solution. I believe the Urologist who said that he could fix my problem with a reversal is of questionable character in his decision and because it is not covered by insurance in my country he saw a chance to be paid in full ( in cash ) and he did it for no other reason. That is why I am afraid to go back to him. He came highly recommended by a prominent prostate surgeon/urologist who I believe took a disliking to me because I had missed An appointment on him and was late for the other because it is hard to keep on a schedule for me because of the pain and the medications I have to take. As it is, the Urologist in question did an iladvised overconfident surgery on me so that now I have a dual vasovasectomy because both sides were so clogged that he had to enter the epididimas on both sides and I am now more uncomfortable than I have ever been. I am addicted to narcotics and see no end in site. The surgen took around "6" hours, which normally would have taken 2! I'd say he got more than he bargained for when he thought that he could make an easy buck. I told him that I did not want more children but did not have to worry about that because my wife has had a hysterectomy. I told him that I was in pain. Because there is so much coverup about the harm vasectomies can do to some men, the information that I read on the internet seemed to indicate that more men who had a full reversal were cured then men who had nerve blocks.... I did not know what to do! To answer your question about why I had a reversal instead of a nerve block. And since I do not have a good doctor or urologist that understands the problem. I myself, and me alone had to decide what to do.
I will try to get my ultrasound and send it to you. But I currently don't have it because my faith in the surgeons has been so shaken around here that I have not revisited the Urologist in question because I also believe that he did a surgery on me that was not the proper one to do. I have had two ultrasounds and the one before the operation was inconclusive. So i guess i should have said then "why did you think the operation would work then" ...I don't know.
I guess I need to see a pain specialist to have a discussion about a nerve block. Or should I see a neurologist or anesthesiologist ?. But the insurance that we currently have is so bad they want me to drive 50 miles away to see their recomended (translated cheepo) pain clinic. It as if I have moved to a part of the country that doesn't care if they help me or not. I am originally from a part of the country about 2500 miles away that has a "much" better medical reputation. I'd better not say any more than that about that right now. Except i am currently putting all of the energy that I have to fix up my house, sell it, and move back to where I am from...as far away from here as I can possably get!
I really don't know what to do. I appreceate your suggestions and I will print them out and show them to my general physician so he can refer me to a pain specialist or neurologist or anesthtist ...Which do you think I should go to???
I am also thinking of writing the XXXXXXX Medical Association and complainining about the urologist that did such an impropper operation on me. Everyone I talk to asks me the same question "why did you do a reversal?" But they will most likely do nothing. Now you may see why so many people XXXXXXX people in the US. I was brought up not to XXXXXXX professionals because their ethical governing bodies ensured that they were trying to do what was best and proper for the paitent. I am beginning to not believe that any more.
Again thank you for your suggestions and I think I will try the least invasive nerve block and work up from there. I will show the specialist your recommended anesthetics and see which might be right for me to try.

Please please excuse the spelling. The spell checker from hotmail acts as if it is playing games with you. It gives you alternative spellings and quickly dissapears and asks if you want to do something about it. I honestly don't know why i don't switch to another service...but everyone knows me at this site. I am sorry. Please just try to sound it out. I have never been a good speller.
And please forgive the long email. Since I am mostly bed ridden from pain or drained from the medications and the pain...all that i have to do is lie in my bed and email or watch TV.
This operation has ruined the most productive years of my life. I just read an article by an army hospital done several years ago and they knew that this was a problem. And now I may have greater problems due to the double connections to my epididimus because they know that infection of the epididimus is a problem.

Im sorry for ranting. I will stop now. And I look forward to your reply. Thank you for your reply. I thought that there was a less invasive way to address this than another operation.

Thank you again
DRH
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Answered by Dr. Rishi (45 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Thanks for reply. Get USG and culture tests done.

Detailed Answer:
Hello,
Thank you for your reply and your pleasant comments.
Our endeavour is to bring you to a better and healthier life with all the compassion that you need.
Firstly, you do not need to go back to the urologist who did the reversal surgery. There are many other Urologists who can help you.
Secondly, please get the Ultrasound done and let me know or upload the report so I can have a look. Also, get cultures done form your urine and semen to rule out any infection in the system which could be increasing your pain and if treated properly then you could be cured. Therefore let me know the culture reports if it picks up any infection.
Thirdly, as for which Doctor you should see form your pain. I suggest you see an Anesthesiologist who has trained in Pain medicine. Therefore, a pain specialist who has a degree in Anaesthesiology would be ideal. Otherwise, a Pain Specialist would be good.
Fourthly, you can complain to the AMA and that would be in order but Im not sure whether it would achieve the desired effect. That is completely upto you. The Surgeon in question might have acted in your best interest but things dont always turn out the way that we or the patients plan. Therefore, it is definitely not black or white. You need to think about it and decide.
I stick with my view that you should not undergo any more surgeries until definitely indicated.
Take care and do let me know how I can help you further.
Dr Rishi, New XXXXXXX XXXXXXX

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Vinay Bhardwaj
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Follow up: Dr. Rishi (8 days later)
I wrote you a fairly long reply thanking you for your words of practical wisdom. But it looks like my computer did not send it properly. Could you let me know if you received a message before this one...and if you did not i will retype it in later.
Thank you DRH
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Answered by Dr. Rishi (8 hours later)
Brief Answer:
I had answered you on 10 May.

Detailed Answer:
Hello.
Good to hear from you again.
You had written a detailed reply on 9 May which I read and replied you on 10 May. Thereafter I did not receive any more communication from you. So if it is the above conversation you refer to, then it has been answered.
I had asked for your Ultrasound report and reports of your Urine and Semen culture.
Do let me know the results if you could get them done.
Take care and I would be waiting for your reply if I can extend any more assistance.
Regards,
Dr Rishi, New XXXXXXX XXXXXXX
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What Causes Pain And Numbness In Scrotum Post Vasectomy Reversal Surgery?

Brief Answer: I suggest nerve block is a better option than Neurectomy. Detailed Answer: Hello. I am overwhelmed to hear the ordeal you have undergone. I am wondering why you underwent the Vasectomy reversal. We usually do reversal operations for people who wish to conceive after having undergone a Vasectomy. There is no other indication for the said surgery in my knowledge. My opinion about your Vasectomy reversal surgery in your case is that it was not warranted. The pain you were experiencing at that time could have been dealt with nerve blocks or Neurolysis or Neurectomy up front depending upon the grade of the pain. About the nerve blocks. Different blocks last for different periods of time depending upon the drug injected. If it is a drug like Lignocaine which we use for Surgery then it lasts for 2 to 4 hours only. If we use a longer acting Local anaesthetic like Bupivacaine the effect can last for 10 to 12 hours. If the drug used is a Steroid with or without a local anaesthetic then the effect can last upto a few months. If you are crippled by the pain then you can undergo Nerve blocks with steroids or go ahead with a Neurectomy. It is a simple enough surgery but will lead to loss of sensation around the genital area and upper thigh region. The pain relief will be known while being operated if they operate under local anesthesia. If they give you Spinal anesthesia or General anesthesia then you will not know. It is not a common surgical procedure but has the potential to give good relief. However, I would advice against surgery if the pain is not crippling you. You can continue with nerve blocks after discussing with your Pain care Anesthetist and they can help you with longer lasting blocks. If they fail repeatedly then only surgery should be completed. Since you have undergone multiple surgical procedures and have difficulty in healing then Surgery should be your last option. And if the Neurectomy does not give you satisfactory relief then again you will be thinking of Orchidectomy. It is a very difficult call to take but that is something you will have to decide. If I was your treating Surgeon, I would like to know the reason of your pain by means of seeing the intra-scrotal structures with the help of an Ultrasound of the scrotum. If a cause for the pain is evident then we should target treating that. So if an Ultrasound has been done please upload the report so that we can review it. Do let me know if I could be of any help. The problem is complex and there is no single right answer. But do not worry, I hope you will be relieved of your ailments soon. Take care, Dr Rishi, New XXXXXXX XXXXXXX