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Suggest Treatment For Severe Persistent Asthma

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Posted on Wed, 14 Jan 2015
Question: I asked you a question a few days ago, but was unable to answer your follow up questions promptly due to the holidays and the questions was closed. I would like to submit them and get an answer prior to me submitting my review. Here is a transcript of our exchange and the answers to your questions:

Original Question:
My daughter is age 6 and has had very poor pulmonary function test results for 2 years. She's been seeing a pediatric pulmonary doctor after she had 4 bouts of pneumonia in one year 3 years ago. She had a bronchoscopy that found nothing significant other than a small nodule on her vocal chord that indicated she had some reflux. Her allergy testing came back normal. Her immunology testing came back normal. She was recently tested for Cystic Fibrosis and that was also normal.

She's now on: Advair HFA 115 twice daily; Singulair 5mg once daily; Nexium granules 10mg once daily; Flonase 50mcg once daily; Ventolin HFA 90mcg as needed 20-30 minutes prior to activity and Albuterol breathing treatments via nebulizer as needed every 4-6 hours. Despite this her pulmonary function is still poor. We've had to follow up with the doctor every 30 days for the last 7 months. This seems to be very frequent, as though there is something the doctor is concerned about, but not saying.

Are there any other tests you would recommend?


Your answer:
Hi...By what you quote the history and the medicines you are using are fitting into uncontrolled sever persistent asthma or Interstitial Lung Disease (ILD)
I have a few questions for you -
Questions:
1. How many days per month does she cough or feel breathless?
2. How many nights per month does her sleep get disturbed due to above symptoms?
3. Does she feel breathless when she runs around or plays with other kids?
4. Are the symptoms when there are seasonal changes?
5. Is there any family history of asthma or any other sort of allergies like skin allergy etc.?
6. Is the cough always associated with fever?

Kindly get back to me with answers to above questions. I will further proceed based on that.
Regards - Dr. XXXXXXX

ANSWERS:
1.     She coughs often after activities. She’s really unable to tell us how breathless she feels. She develops purple circles under her eyes and we can see them.
2. She seems to sleep, but snores at times. She's pretty restless when she sleeps and always wakes up tired. No sleep studies have been done. She sleeps alone.
3. She is breathless when running around with other kids and gets flushed when doing a lot of activity. She hates sitting out and doesn't like to accept her limitations. She's still participating in Physical Education and recess.
4. The symptoms don't appear seasonally related other than she does seems to have some seasonal allergies, although no identified allergies when tested. We live in a desert in the Southwest US, so we don’t have significant change in seasons.
5. Dad has asthma and breathing related problems. Dad has eczema too pretty significantly. Dad is allergic to cats, most dogs, guinea pigs. Paternal half sibling is allergic to seafood and appears to have allergic reactions to cats although the allergy testing came back on the low spectrum for pets. Same sibling has a lot of coughing associated with physical activity. Paternal grandmother spent time in the NICU after birth due to reported lung collapse. We just found this out recently. We aren’t sure what the circumstances were for sure as she recently passed away at age 58 suddenly after Septic Shock after a gallbladder surgery. As her mother, I also went into Septic Shock in 2011 after a surgery at age 34 and ended up on a ventilator. I ended up with a paralyzed diaphragm after the ordeal due to phrenic nerve damage, but this is believed to be from a PICC line and was not present from birth. I was recently tested and had my test for ANA antibodies come back positive. I also have another autoimmune disorder, but it’s not related to allergies in any way.
6. Cough is not always associated with fever. It's usually not. When she gets sick, she gets sick quickly if we don't intervene with nebulizer treatments immediately. She had RSV as an infant. Then she was well for 3 years. Later, she got a cold that quickly escalated to pneumonia and a hospitalization within a day or two. Within that year, she had 3 more instances of illness turning to pneumonia quickly. That's what led to me taking her to the pulmonary doctor on my own as I had a PPO insurance and I wasn’t getting answers about why my young child was getting so ill. She was then given an Advair discuss and Ranitidine for 1 year. At the annual pulmonary check up in XXXXXXX 2014 it was found her PFT was getting worse despite the Advair with no identified reason why. Doctor has added med after med without significant improvement. Doctor said recently he thought for sure it was CF, but the test was negative. Now, we are baffled.

Not sure if meds are right and it the tests that can be done have been done have been done. Thank you.
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Answered by Dr. Sumanth Amperayani (3 hours later)
Brief Answer:
I feel she has severe persistent asthma/ ILD/ Autoimmune lung disease

Detailed Answer:
Hi...I went through the history you have provided in a very lucid way. All the point which I had raised have been cleared. There are 3 possibilities in your kid. I will discuss each separately (I consider the diagnoses in this order of priority) -

1. Severe Persistent asthma or Brittle asthma - the points favouring it are - family history of atopy/ cough suggestive of airway problem / exercise induced breathlessness / inability to talk when severely breathless/ no fever during the attacks. In brittle asthma - the kids will have a baseline or may not have a baseline breathlessness but as you said the breathlessness deteriorates rapidly and so severe as to require hospitalization and oxygen therapy. I suggest your paediatric pulmonologist must consider a low dose prolonged steroid therapy.

2. Interstitial lung disease - the points favouring it are - no seasonal changes and always has baseline breathlessness/ not associated with fever/ but has hospitalizations and rapid deterioration of symptoms with exercise and bluish discoloration around the eyes. I suggest your paediatric pulmonologist must consider a ling biopsy either transbronchial or a bronchoscopy and XXXXXXX subjected to histopathological examination. This too tends to get better with low dose long term steroids. The basic problem in this condition is that the lungs gradually tend to get stiffer.

3. Auto immune associated lung disease - there are certain chronic connective tissue disorders like SLE or lupus which tends to run in families and sometimes they can cause chronic lung disease called Auto immune associated lung disease. Again there are no definite gold standard medical tests or proven therapies. This too tends to get better with low dose long term steroids, here too the basic problem in this condition is that the lungs gradually tend to get stiffer, but intermittently this condition presents with pleural effusions or fluid collection outside the lungs and between pleural cavity.

I have put in my thoughts and hope working up on these lines will help to arrive at a diagnosis sooner and the suggested treatment too makes her better. However of my own clinical interest I request you to keep me posted about the clinical follow up and the ultimate diagnosis and treatment that have made the kid better.
I am open for discussion any time in future. I wish your kid a bright future and early recovery.

Regards - Dr. Sumanth



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Suggest Treatment For Severe Persistent Asthma

Brief Answer: I feel she has severe persistent asthma/ ILD/ Autoimmune lung disease Detailed Answer: Hi...I went through the history you have provided in a very lucid way. All the point which I had raised have been cleared. There are 3 possibilities in your kid. I will discuss each separately (I consider the diagnoses in this order of priority) - 1. Severe Persistent asthma or Brittle asthma - the points favouring it are - family history of atopy/ cough suggestive of airway problem / exercise induced breathlessness / inability to talk when severely breathless/ no fever during the attacks. In brittle asthma - the kids will have a baseline or may not have a baseline breathlessness but as you said the breathlessness deteriorates rapidly and so severe as to require hospitalization and oxygen therapy. I suggest your paediatric pulmonologist must consider a low dose prolonged steroid therapy. 2. Interstitial lung disease - the points favouring it are - no seasonal changes and always has baseline breathlessness/ not associated with fever/ but has hospitalizations and rapid deterioration of symptoms with exercise and bluish discoloration around the eyes. I suggest your paediatric pulmonologist must consider a ling biopsy either transbronchial or a bronchoscopy and XXXXXXX subjected to histopathological examination. This too tends to get better with low dose long term steroids. The basic problem in this condition is that the lungs gradually tend to get stiffer. 3. Auto immune associated lung disease - there are certain chronic connective tissue disorders like SLE or lupus which tends to run in families and sometimes they can cause chronic lung disease called Auto immune associated lung disease. Again there are no definite gold standard medical tests or proven therapies. This too tends to get better with low dose long term steroids, here too the basic problem in this condition is that the lungs gradually tend to get stiffer, but intermittently this condition presents with pleural effusions or fluid collection outside the lungs and between pleural cavity. I have put in my thoughts and hope working up on these lines will help to arrive at a diagnosis sooner and the suggested treatment too makes her better. However of my own clinical interest I request you to keep me posted about the clinical follow up and the ultimate diagnosis and treatment that have made the kid better. I am open for discussion any time in future. I wish your kid a bright future and early recovery. Regards - Dr. Sumanth