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How To Overcome Depression?

Hello , I have a question . I lost my 24 year old daughter last August from a very large pulmonary saddle thromboembolism . I am having an extremely had time coping with her passing . I wonder if my daughter was aware of what was happening to her during her dying process from this embolism ?Is there anything you can tell me that might ease my pain of grief ? My daughter was morbidly obses due to the condition she was born with Prader-Willi Syndrome . She also had factor v Leiden which we didn t know until after she passed . She never had high blood pressure etc . Her autopsy showed she was overall in excellent health other than the condition she was born with . But a few months prior to her death some chest x-rays showed she had some vascular crowding . I m sure this was from the obesity . But no further testing was ordered .She had mild allergy related asthma when she was a toddler but outgrew that . I just don t understand how all this happened :( She was also on growth hormone therapy for pituitary dwarfism which is associated with the syndrome . She had some sleep apnea but I know all this was related to the obesity . She did have a bad ankle break back in 2013 which required surgery . She broke her ankle ( tibia , fibula and cracked her heel . She had hardware ( screws ) inserted into the bones . I just need some kind of closure / answers . I keep having terrible flashbacks of that day . It all happened so fast :( Thank you , Cathy
Wed, 1 Apr 2020
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Hello,

Cathy that is such a very sad story and my heart goes out to you. I noticed this question was asked a few years ago; I hope by now that time has helped you heal a little bit.

Prader-Willi Syndrome, as you know, is a rare genetic abnormality that causes several of the problems your daughter had, including severe morbid obesity. Factor V (5) Leiden is a separate genetic condition that creates a defect in 1 of the multiple proteins involved in balancing the formation of blood clots and the dissolving of blood clots.

Obesity and clotting protein abnormalities are both significant risk factors for development of deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary embolism.

Your question is a very common one. What did dying feel like for my loved one? A "pulmonary saddle thromboembolism" that you refer to is the most gigantic of blood clots, which travels to the Main Pulmonary Artery, the largest of the vessels that leaves the right ventricle of the heart.

The way it straddles the beginning of the Main Pulmonary Artery, right where it bifurcates (branches off) into the Right and Left Pulmonary Arteries to the beginning of each lung, makes it resemble a saddle that sits on a horse's back. Hence, the descriptive name.

A clot that large in that vitally important strategic location usually causes sudden and acute severe shock, low blood pressure, and passing out, followed by a quick death. It's impossible to know for sure, but I will provide an "educated guess" that might (hopefully) give you some peace and comfort with this horrific situation.

There might have been some shortness of breath and some chest pain, but most likely not for long before she would have passed out, fallen asleep, and not woken up. That would usually be a quick, not prolonged, passage to death.

Lastly, I would advise you to seek counseling with a psychologist, a social worker, a clergy person, other friends and relatives, and/or a support group.

Any of these professionals can be found who specialize in grief counseling. Google that term. Read up on grief and grieving and how people have coped and recovered with time.

Since your Question was dated 4 years ago (and I just found it tonight), I hope you have done some of this by now. Losing a child, it is said, is the most painful grief and loss a person can go through.

But, unfortunately, you are not alone in this experience. That is why grieving parents' support groups, counselors, etc. are very helpful in helping people recover, since it reinforces the concept that you are not alone; others have walked your path. And, it can be cathartic just to hear a stranger tell a story that matches up with your own.

I wish you peace and comfort, and please write us again and describe where you are now, and how you have kept your wonderful daughter's memory and legacy alive.

Hope I have answered your query. Let me know if I can assist you further.

Take care

Regards,
Dr. Robert I. Rattiner, M.D.
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How To Overcome Depression?

Hello, Cathy that is such a very sad story and my heart goes out to you. I noticed this question was asked a few years ago; I hope by now that time has helped you heal a little bit. Prader-Willi Syndrome, as you know, is a rare genetic abnormality that causes several of the problems your daughter had, including severe morbid obesity. Factor V (5) Leiden is a separate genetic condition that creates a defect in 1 of the multiple proteins involved in balancing the formation of blood clots and the dissolving of blood clots. Obesity and clotting protein abnormalities are both significant risk factors for development of deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Your question is a very common one. What did dying feel like for my loved one? A pulmonary saddle thromboembolism that you refer to is the most gigantic of blood clots, which travels to the Main Pulmonary Artery, the largest of the vessels that leaves the right ventricle of the heart. The way it straddles the beginning of the Main Pulmonary Artery, right where it bifurcates (branches off) into the Right and Left Pulmonary Arteries to the beginning of each lung, makes it resemble a saddle that sits on a horse s back. Hence, the descriptive name. A clot that large in that vitally important strategic location usually causes sudden and acute severe shock, low blood pressure, and passing out, followed by a quick death. It s impossible to know for sure, but I will provide an educated guess that might (hopefully) give you some peace and comfort with this horrific situation. There might have been some shortness of breath and some chest pain, but most likely not for long before she would have passed out, fallen asleep, and not woken up. That would usually be a quick, not prolonged, passage to death. Lastly, I would advise you to seek counseling with a psychologist, a social worker, a clergy person, other friends and relatives, and/or a support group. Any of these professionals can be found who specialize in grief counseling. Google that term. Read up on grief and grieving and how people have coped and recovered with time. Since your Question was dated 4 years ago (and I just found it tonight), I hope you have done some of this by now. Losing a child, it is said, is the most painful grief and loss a person can go through. But, unfortunately, you are not alone in this experience. That is why grieving parents support groups, counselors, etc. are very helpful in helping people recover, since it reinforces the concept that you are not alone; others have walked your path. And, it can be cathartic just to hear a stranger tell a story that matches up with your own. I wish you peace and comfort, and please write us again and describe where you are now, and how you have kept your wonderful daughter s memory and legacy alive. Hope I have answered your query. Let me know if I can assist you further. Take care Regards, Dr. Robert I. Rattiner, M.D.