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How To Regain Body Symmetry After A Stroke?

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Posted on Wed, 6 Sep 2017
Question: Greetings Dr XXXXXXX

Re paralysis, restrictions and dopamine

Thank you so much for providing your contact details. I use them to offer my profound apologies and also to provide you with some interesting and very pertinent information. (it will also explain my rather lame feedback to your astute and thorough analysis of my situation.)

At the outset, I must apologize for what I deem to be my own stupidity..... MCA in my (limited) mind refers to Motor Car Accident – my memories of the legal jargon over time made me think that this was well a known and accepted fact ..... of course, this acronym pertains to many other identities which I should have realized but in my endeavors to be succinct, I failed to acknowledge.

Hence, I am in a situation where I have almost fully recovered from being hit by a car 43 years ago. What has been so instrumental in my recovery is the knowledge that :

I) My bicep has been marginally over-active as a result of being discharged from hospital before making an optimal recovery. I figured this to be the case as damage was to the left side of my head which houses the motor cortex where neurons that control upper and lower body muscles / limbs reside). The once spastic position of my arm was due to a chronically activated bicep.

II) Action potentials can travel either way along a nerve (explains why I’m getting electrical sensation in my fingertips.....) see below

III) Holding a stretch for 30sec overrides the tonic activity in the muscle (skeletal) In my case it is the excess activity which has yielded to take activity back to normal levels.

Thus, as I hold stretches, the excess tension in my bicep travels up the (motor) nerve and then ‘falls down’ the median / ulna ? nerve to my fingertips (I have been able to work this out as I completed a BSc Psychology/ Psychophysiology in 2012)

What is very interesting is that I am at a stage of recovery that dopamine is being released in my brain when I perform just about any stretch. I don’t know why but would dearly love to .... so, so interesting. I put it down to my muscle spindles being over- joyed at being able to relinquish the abnormal tension they have coped with for such a long time. (this might be brain directed of course- a bit complicated)

Indeed, breast and brow symmetry, once disparagingly different, are now entirely plausible...only a matter of time (and stretching)

As I said to my rehab doctor.... ‘I am a bundle of neuroplasticity in motion’ ....... but who could have thought that muscle spindles have feelings......maybe they don’t and if so, I would love to know the physiological reasons as to why this is happening to me (not that I mind ....it’s been the best thing ever!)

Thank you for your time (I owe you at least one consultation fee.... will pay if we ever get to meet!) – but I did give you a 5 stars rating!!! Your professional competence is certainly worthy of this.


Hi there Dr D......thank you for your follow-up, I do actually have a couple more questions regarding my situation but I don't know how essentially neurological in nature they are. The first concerns body symmetry. Post accident, there became quite a large difference in cup size between my breasts. (paralyzed side at least 2 sizes smaller) Holding my bicep stretch is eliminating this (has been called hypo trophy).

Similarly, my brows have developed a 'droop' with small nicks or grooves impinging on my eye lids (close to the 'nostril end'). These also are disappearing The question I pose (which may not have an answer) is - what is the relationship between these 3 B's-Breast,Brow and Bicep? (very interesting but probably unanswerable so please dont fret or spend too much time on it !!)

Also (may also be unanswerable), what was named first : Dope (slang for drugs of abuse) or dopamine?
For myself, I am going just so, so well, As I 'pull' the excess tone out of every motor unit in my bicep, the dopamine surge in getting stronger and more prevalent. Love to know am I working from the muscle belly out or visa versa (may be 'willy nilly' :-)
Thank you again for your time and expertise. Being able to relate about my amazing journey has been very gratifying.







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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (26 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Many thanks again for returning a visit

Detailed Answer:
Good evening dear xxxxxxx,

It's so very nice to hear from you once again and to know that by reading your story that you are doing so very well through the years and following rehabilitation following the accident.

Body symmetry is always a concern for patients who have suffered from stroke or similar illness where either a specific area of the brain or spinal cord has been affected since this will translate into a very specific body part or parts (depending on how extensive the damage is) losing muscle tone and strength due to lack of we call UPPER NEURON CONTROL or innervation. In lieu of the term HYPOTROPHY my guess that a more appropriate term for your particular situation would be body region ATROPHY. This is where an area of the body (once symmetric with its sister side) becomes shrunken in terms of size, bulk, and even loses tone due to the lack of signal connection with the brain or spinal cord.

HYPOTROPHY would be more akin to a body part that did not GROW or MATURE to the same symmetric size as the sister side. This would occur in a fetus where actual growth or maturity of a body part becomes stunted due to some mishap of metabolic or other phenomenon. However, in your case you started in a normal SYMMETRICALLY matured form but following the accident developed focal issues of DENERVATION resulting in loss of muscle size, tone, and strength.

However, symmetry can be regained at least to a certain degree by very focused and intense therapy and work as you seem to have fortunate enough to have accomplished. I wish there were a way to guarantee a full and complete gain in your breast size from one side of the body compared to the other, however, that would be speculation on my part. All I can say is that in my own patients I always encourage as much persistence and perseverance to staying fit and healthy with exercises, stretches, and diet. Sometimes I will also recommend patients use interventions such as electrical stimulation devices which can be applied either TRANSCUTANEOUSLY (on top of the skin) or even embedded into the muscles where weakness and loss of bulk have occurred.

This is referred to as FES or FUNCTIONAL ELECTRICAL STIMULATION and has been shown to work quite nicely in post stroke and other types of patients where UPPER NEURON DISEASE has affected the body. Studies on FES, however, suggest that there may be a limit in time with respect to effectiveness. For example, in poststroke patients FES therapy does not seem to have very much positive long term outcome effect after 9-12 months post incident.

At any rate the above information is merely a preface to the questions as far as general aspects of both pathophysiology and common approaches to therapy are concerned.

In terms of your 3 B's.....I don't know of any specific relationship between the BROW, BREAST, AND BICEPS on one side except to say that it would likely be best explained by going to either a brain or spinal cord scan to detect areas of INFARCT or SCARRING and matching that with the regional parts you've listed. Otherwise, there is no functional linkage that I know of between those specific body parts. In fact, the asymmetry in the eyebrow region would likely be best explained by atrophy to the orbital muscles which are referred to as the ORBICULARIS OCULI or possibly the FRONTALIS or even CORRUGATOR muscles of the face. These are controlled by cranial nerve VII or the facial nerve and this has both an upper as well as lower motor neuron that exists within the brain as well as outside the brain that must have been somehow damaged in the accident. The biceps and breast are similarly connected by way of regional closeness in both the spinal cord as well as the motor cortex of the brain so it is not surprising that both of those parts were simultaneously affected.

With respect to the question on any relationship between the slang for drugs and DOPE and the chemical compound DOPAMINE referring to the neurotransmitter produced by the body which typically has a stimulating effect upon target neurons I do not believe there is any connection with those 2 words other than coincidence in how both words begin. I did a search in the Oxord Dictionary for the etymology of DOPE in slang usage as it refers to street drugs and here is what I was able to find:

"Turning to dope in its specific drug sense: in 1886 (according to Green’s Dictionary of Slang), we first heard of a dope fiend – a drug user. A few years later, we find dope referring to opium or a morphine derivative. The link between the syrup and the drug may not be immediately obvious, but it relates to the ‘the thick treacle-like preparation used in opium-smoking’; as early as 1872, dope had referred to ‘a preparation, mixture, or drug which is not specifically named’. In 1933 we encounter dope addict. Dope eventually stood on its own, coming to mean any drug (1900) or medicine (1902). Dope came to refer specifically to marijuana only in 1950 (according to the Historical Dictionary of XXXXXXX Slang); to the extent that dope is used today to refer to a drug, it most commonly means heroin or another opiate. In this general vein, dope has long been used as a verb, first meaning to poison (1862 in HDAS) and then slightly later to administer a stimulant or sedative to a racehorse. The meaning has broadened in recent years to include the use of any banned athletic performance-enhancing drugs by athletic competitors, human or not."

The full citation which very interestingly also explains at least 3 other definitions of the words DOPE can be found at:

XXXX

The origin of DOPAMINE actually goes back to its originally being published and named in 1959 and is the combination of the acronym DOPA+Amine.

DOPA stands for the abbreviation of the chemical constituents of the neurotransmitter DiOxyPhenylAlanine. The descriptor of an AMINE refers to class of chemical compound from which this substance is fundamentally derived.d

Therefore, the combining of those 2 concepts has resulted in the term DOPAMINE. I see no relation of that word derivation to the slang usage for DOPE but it certainly is an interesting observation, isn't it though?

Once again my sincerest hopes for ONGOING recovery and success....and as always in this forum your kind words in the form of positive feedback are gratefully accepted if I've answered your questions satisfactorily.

I would be very honored to make your acquaintance some day if there were a way of contracting the world by roughly 10,000 miles! XXXXXXX Ohio is actually sparkling this time of the year...not uncomfortably hot and certainly not at all cold. What a shame it can't stay like this the year through!

Cheers young lady!


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Follow up: Dr. Dariush Saghafi (9 hours later)
Dear Dr D,

Thank you so much for your insights. You have helped me understand my condition which has been so important in my recovery....a glowing assessment will follow soon :-)

You may be interested in techniques I've incorporated to achieve my current status (and an approximation to perfect symmetry will follow soon) :

I have pushed trolleys around shopping centers lifting my right hand every 30 sec
- the Aldis trolley (just the right height) alerted me to this....now all trolleys give me sensation.

- Holding buoyant items such as 'floaties' and kickboards in a pool has provided me with an avenue for tension release

- Lifting the car boot, opening and closing doors.....even grasping the steering wheel currently gives me a buzz (hope I dont get picked up !!!)and all provide a release source.

Very importantly, I have been able to correct my gait (once impaired and requiring foot, knee and ankle surgery owing to my compensatory patterns) by walking alongside long mirrors ( at the gym ) some years ago - this was done to get visual feedback....and it worked like magic - I walked out of that gym with a completely different stride- one that approximated to normal.

Anyway, thank you again for your expertise......knowledge can provide power and power can provide outcomes

Kind Regards,
XXXXXXX (XXXX).....XXXX is for XXXXXXX (XXXX :=) )
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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (9 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Thank you for your return message

Detailed Answer:
I appreciate hearing patients' perspectives on what works for them and techniques they have that could be interesting and possibly effective for others. I am a big fan of water therapy types of exercises.

Again, congratulations on all of your marvelous achievements and don't stop continuing to reach for more....I am certain that persistence and patience will ultimately build more neuronal innervation in your pectoral muscles and help balance out the asymmetry in your chest sooner rather than later.

Cheers my dear XXXX! Ha!

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How To Regain Body Symmetry After A Stroke?

Brief Answer: Many thanks again for returning a visit Detailed Answer: Good evening dear xxxxxxx, It's so very nice to hear from you once again and to know that by reading your story that you are doing so very well through the years and following rehabilitation following the accident. Body symmetry is always a concern for patients who have suffered from stroke or similar illness where either a specific area of the brain or spinal cord has been affected since this will translate into a very specific body part or parts (depending on how extensive the damage is) losing muscle tone and strength due to lack of we call UPPER NEURON CONTROL or innervation. In lieu of the term HYPOTROPHY my guess that a more appropriate term for your particular situation would be body region ATROPHY. This is where an area of the body (once symmetric with its sister side) becomes shrunken in terms of size, bulk, and even loses tone due to the lack of signal connection with the brain or spinal cord. HYPOTROPHY would be more akin to a body part that did not GROW or MATURE to the same symmetric size as the sister side. This would occur in a fetus where actual growth or maturity of a body part becomes stunted due to some mishap of metabolic or other phenomenon. However, in your case you started in a normal SYMMETRICALLY matured form but following the accident developed focal issues of DENERVATION resulting in loss of muscle size, tone, and strength. However, symmetry can be regained at least to a certain degree by very focused and intense therapy and work as you seem to have fortunate enough to have accomplished. I wish there were a way to guarantee a full and complete gain in your breast size from one side of the body compared to the other, however, that would be speculation on my part. All I can say is that in my own patients I always encourage as much persistence and perseverance to staying fit and healthy with exercises, stretches, and diet. Sometimes I will also recommend patients use interventions such as electrical stimulation devices which can be applied either TRANSCUTANEOUSLY (on top of the skin) or even embedded into the muscles where weakness and loss of bulk have occurred. This is referred to as FES or FUNCTIONAL ELECTRICAL STIMULATION and has been shown to work quite nicely in post stroke and other types of patients where UPPER NEURON DISEASE has affected the body. Studies on FES, however, suggest that there may be a limit in time with respect to effectiveness. For example, in poststroke patients FES therapy does not seem to have very much positive long term outcome effect after 9-12 months post incident. At any rate the above information is merely a preface to the questions as far as general aspects of both pathophysiology and common approaches to therapy are concerned. In terms of your 3 B's.....I don't know of any specific relationship between the BROW, BREAST, AND BICEPS on one side except to say that it would likely be best explained by going to either a brain or spinal cord scan to detect areas of INFARCT or SCARRING and matching that with the regional parts you've listed. Otherwise, there is no functional linkage that I know of between those specific body parts. In fact, the asymmetry in the eyebrow region would likely be best explained by atrophy to the orbital muscles which are referred to as the ORBICULARIS OCULI or possibly the FRONTALIS or even CORRUGATOR muscles of the face. These are controlled by cranial nerve VII or the facial nerve and this has both an upper as well as lower motor neuron that exists within the brain as well as outside the brain that must have been somehow damaged in the accident. The biceps and breast are similarly connected by way of regional closeness in both the spinal cord as well as the motor cortex of the brain so it is not surprising that both of those parts were simultaneously affected. With respect to the question on any relationship between the slang for drugs and DOPE and the chemical compound DOPAMINE referring to the neurotransmitter produced by the body which typically has a stimulating effect upon target neurons I do not believe there is any connection with those 2 words other than coincidence in how both words begin. I did a search in the Oxord Dictionary for the etymology of DOPE in slang usage as it refers to street drugs and here is what I was able to find: "Turning to dope in its specific drug sense: in 1886 (according to Green’s Dictionary of Slang), we first heard of a dope fiend – a drug user. A few years later, we find dope referring to opium or a morphine derivative. The link between the syrup and the drug may not be immediately obvious, but it relates to the ‘the thick treacle-like preparation used in opium-smoking’; as early as 1872, dope had referred to ‘a preparation, mixture, or drug which is not specifically named’. In 1933 we encounter dope addict. Dope eventually stood on its own, coming to mean any drug (1900) or medicine (1902). Dope came to refer specifically to marijuana only in 1950 (according to the Historical Dictionary of XXXXXXX Slang); to the extent that dope is used today to refer to a drug, it most commonly means heroin or another opiate. In this general vein, dope has long been used as a verb, first meaning to poison (1862 in HDAS) and then slightly later to administer a stimulant or sedative to a racehorse. The meaning has broadened in recent years to include the use of any banned athletic performance-enhancing drugs by athletic competitors, human or not." The full citation which very interestingly also explains at least 3 other definitions of the words DOPE can be found at: XXXX The origin of DOPAMINE actually goes back to its originally being published and named in 1959 and is the combination of the acronym DOPA+Amine. DOPA stands for the abbreviation of the chemical constituents of the neurotransmitter DiOxyPhenylAlanine. The descriptor of an AMINE refers to class of chemical compound from which this substance is fundamentally derived.d Therefore, the combining of those 2 concepts has resulted in the term DOPAMINE. I see no relation of that word derivation to the slang usage for DOPE but it certainly is an interesting observation, isn't it though? Once again my sincerest hopes for ONGOING recovery and success....and as always in this forum your kind words in the form of positive feedback are gratefully accepted if I've answered your questions satisfactorily. I would be very honored to make your acquaintance some day if there were a way of contracting the world by roughly 10,000 miles! XXXXXXX Ohio is actually sparkling this time of the year...not uncomfortably hot and certainly not at all cold. What a shame it can't stay like this the year through! Cheers young lady! This query has utilized a total of 55 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.