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What Do Episodes Of Nose Bleed, Profuse Sweating And Blackouts Indicate?

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Posted on Thu, 29 Oct 2015
Question: My nephew who is 25 has had spells over the past two years in which he gets a "feeling something is not right by he can't quite pinpoint it, followed by nosebleed, then hearing loss, then vision loss, with profuse sweating and then passing out. It happens randomly, comes on suddenly and recovery can take minutes to hours.

He also has a problem sleep. He falls asleep fine but is waking up after 3 hours and bizarre nightmares and not being able to sleep after that. He has had both a neurologist and cardiologist say -- we don't see anything in you at this time, everything looks normal,come in when you're having problems. I'm trying to help him even figure out what specialy doctor he should see. I suggested a sleep study for the night time problems, but I don't know what to tell him about his spells. I am concerned.
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Answered by Dr. Ajay Panwar (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
Does not seem to fit into a clinical disorder.

Detailed Answer:
Hi XXXX,
Thanks for being on healthcaremagic.com.
I am Dr.Ajay Panwar,a neurologist,here to answer your query.

I have gone through the clinical sequences you have mentioned.However,I must say that such a series of events(nose bleed-hearing loss-vision loss-sweating-passing out-self recovery)do not make any clinical impression.This is not pointing towards any clinical disorder or syndrome.
Except nose bleed,these events point more towards a non-organic/psychogenic disorder.
I suggest you to get him examined by an ENT surgeon for nose bleed.Also,if possible ,please ensure to get him examined by a physician during a typical event.That may help towards the diagnosis.

If you have any further questions,I shall be glad to have you in follow-up.

Regards
Dr.Ajay Panwar,
MD,DM(Neurology)
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Ajay Panwar (33 hours later)
The following are things that I thought may be the issue. Please explain to me why each on does or does not fit:
Fainting (vasovagal syncope) Nose bleed doesn't fit with Fainting, but it does make sense that your blood pressure has periods of dysfunction. I'm wondering if the nose bleed is a high blood pressure spike followed by a sudden drop in blood pressure, making it a nervous system problem.

An intermittent heart arrhythmia could be the culprit as some arrhythmia can fluctuate blood pressure -- but I imagine would be hard to diagnose without a prolonged EKG study -- wearing a monitor for as long as it takes to have an episode.

Another possible cause would be a sudden drop in blood sugar -- which doesn't seem to fit on the surface, as he told me you ate adequately that day. However, my nephew had 50% of his small intestine removed as an infant due to a blockage. He now has problems when he eats too much food with excess bile and nausea. Is it possible that his pancreas sends out too much insulin and drops your blood sugar too quickly after a meal? That would make sense if the pancreas functions similarly to the gall bladder in responding to a full stomach or duodenum by excreting insulin.

My nephew's father had some sort of congenital anemia for which he had to have blood transfusions. I don't know if this could in any way be related.

Anxiety attacks are also a possibility -- though he didn't mention feeling anxious as part of the episode. Nose bleed as part of a an anxiety attack?

Finally he has problems sleeping. He falls asleep fine, but wakes up after 3 hours with vivid nightmares. The rest of the night he sleeps in 30 minute intervals interrupted with waking. He has a cousin with narcolepsy. And his grandfather had an undiagnosed sleep disorder either narcolepsy or sleep apnea or both. Could these day time problems be related to the problem sleeping?

Thanks,

XXXX

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Follow up: Dr. Ajay Panwar (2 minutes later)
PS -- it is a very troubling problem as these attacks can happen any time, anywhere. He had once while walking on the beach, and fell down, and woke up 4 hours later. He had one once while working as a bouncer, and someone was trying to help him after he fell down, and he thought he had been attacked by the fellow and came up swinging. (he now has a desk job) I'm concerned it could happen while he is driving or in some other dangerous situation.
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Answered by Dr. Ajay Panwar (19 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
These etiologies do not fit into picture.

Detailed Answer:
Hi XXXXXXX
Thanks for being in follow-up.

I can understand that you are concerned a lot and as a result,have done quite a lot of research work on the symptoms.
All the causes you mentioned (vasovagal,arrhythmia,hypoglycemia)are etiologies for a syncopal attack.However,the clinical history is not at all favoring syncope(prolonged loss of consciousness for about 4 hours,series of events:nose bleed-hearing loss-vision loss-sweating-passing out-self recovery-This sequence of events is not favoring syncope).

I don't see anemia,in any case causing such a series of events.

His sleep problems however,need to be diagnosed by a sleep study.He can be taken to a sleep medicine specialist for the same.

Besides, Anxiety/psychogenic being the closest possibility,atypical seizures is one differential that need to be excluded.
I suggest that a prolonged video EEG study and a MRI of Brain with epilepsy protocol should be done.
Furthermore,empirical antiepileptic medicines can be started on a trial basis and observed for the response.

If you have some further questions,I shall be glad to answer else please close the thread,rate it and write a review as your rating will be of help to me.

Regards
Dr.Ajay Panwar,
MD,DM(Neurology)
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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What Do Episodes Of Nose Bleed, Profuse Sweating And Blackouts Indicate?

Brief Answer: Does not seem to fit into a clinical disorder. Detailed Answer: Hi XXXX, Thanks for being on healthcaremagic.com. I am Dr.Ajay Panwar,a neurologist,here to answer your query. I have gone through the clinical sequences you have mentioned.However,I must say that such a series of events(nose bleed-hearing loss-vision loss-sweating-passing out-self recovery)do not make any clinical impression.This is not pointing towards any clinical disorder or syndrome. Except nose bleed,these events point more towards a non-organic/psychogenic disorder. I suggest you to get him examined by an ENT surgeon for nose bleed.Also,if possible ,please ensure to get him examined by a physician during a typical event.That may help towards the diagnosis. If you have any further questions,I shall be glad to have you in follow-up. Regards Dr.Ajay Panwar, MD,DM(Neurology)