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What Causes Leg Pain, Rapid Heart Rate, Chronic Fatigue And Weakness?

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Question: Hello my name is XXXX XXXXXXX and I was a marathon runner, who competed at the national level (running 100 plus mile weeks with intense workouts). After my last marathon in Gulf, Shores Alabama I've had some lasting problems with my body. To note, this was may of 2014. Below are my symptoms and what i've tried to find something out

Symptoms:
10-15 percent taste/smell
barely able to lift my leg above 90 degrees without forcing (quad to knee area is always bothering me)
rapid heart rate for first few hours of the day
chronic fatigue
Feel so weak: Even lifted weights for a 6 months period and was lifting heavier than I ever had, but just felt weak throughout it all
depressed

What I've tried
4 different blood test testing 60 plus things: Everything came back normal
Tried regulated testosterone boosters to boost energy: nothing
MRI of my back everything came back normal
Diagnose myself with adrenal fatigue syndrome early on and took every supplment towards that to no avail.
Took all cell salts hoping to replenish what may have been lost from being super dehydrated
Took 8 months off of total exercise
Tried different exercise programs swimming few days a week/walking/small weights
Acupuncture

Seen 3 Sport doctors, including one who travels with the Olympic marathon team
-everything we've tried hasn't worked

paleo diet
two different depression meds (I quit those after awhile cuz just made me feel worse)
tried strengthening my hip flexors in hopes of being able to pick up my legs (still doing this one)
been doing chriopractor for six months
1000's of dollars on deep tissue massages
espom salt baths/tons of ice baths
natural remedies

If anybody could give me a suggestion on what to do next. I was thinking of a systems specialist or a neurologist. I'm a 24 year old 165lb male who feels like he's an old man. I could climb mountains and win marathons, but now I feel like I don't even want to walk into Walmart because of these issues of not being able to pick up my legs. Foods not the same. Being outside in the great outdoors, not being able to smell the nature is also terrible. Please help with any suggestions or recommendations. I'm from XXXXXXX IN.

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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (5 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Symptom consolidation

Detailed Answer:
Good afternoon. I'm very sorry you're feeling this way and can imagine your frustration. I too am an athlete in the sport of wrestling and both assistant coach as well as still compete in tournaments. Because I'm 57 years old my training is continuous and to my way of thinking...a bit more rugged than the younger guys only because I have no OFF season and in order to stay moving and working with just to practice let alone compete...I have to be burning at twice the clip they need to....and of course, weight is not easy to maintain at my age.....So FATIGUE the way you're describing is very familiar to me. Soreness as well but luckily I think I was born with pretty resilient joints, tendons, and ligaments because I do not suffer from any real deterioration or overuse of them....I also play racquetball quite frequently which I believe keeps me limber in many respects. I don't know if relating what I do for myself would be of any value since we train in different sports....but as a neurologist let me take a crack at giving you at least a couple of ideas you may wanna try "running with"....no pun intended.

If we boil down what seems to be the problem and just from what you've said I would put your list of symptoms as the following:

When you say "lift my leg" I'm assuming you're talking about flexing your hip and elevating the knee up in the flexed position as well, correct? Or are you talking about extending your leg straight in front of you at 90 degree elevation and parallel to the floor....(i.e. core strengthening when we do the elbow rest machine and then, hip flex with both legs going parallel)? That's a hard one for sure...hate doing those...but it's a great core workout.

You you've noticed some type of:

1. alteration in your ability to smell and/or taste since the 2 go together like Frik and Frak.
2. difficulty with holding the leg up at 90 degrees in one form or the other,
3. Quads are painful/uncomfortable/weak?
4. Tachycardia in the mornings
5. Fatigue
6. Depression (you mean "sadness over what's going on....based on everything you're doing I don't see right away a good set of indicators that could put you in a CLINICALLY DEPRESSED CATEGORY....but we'll just accept that for a moment).


So, the idea of you being PHYSICALLY WEAK (from a purely mechanical point of view) is not likely simply based upon the sheer amount of physical activity and weight loads that you're pushing. Being fatigue'ed is a different sort of problem than being physically weak....do you agree?

Tachycardia ONLY in the mornings also is not likely to be some sort of cardiovascular or even cardiac problem since if anything....things would be typically expected to go from good upon awakening and get progressively worse and worse as the day progressed the longer you remained either on your feet or active. But it seems that's NOT the case.

As a neurologist I would be most interested in looking at things such as muscle enzymes and just doing a very complete functional capacities set of tests to see if you have any PATTERNS of weakness or abnormalities. You mention problems in the thigh areas as opposed to the distant leg, ankle, or foot....so there are some pathologies that affect PROXIMAL parts of the body rather than distal.....but generally that sort of problem also includes the upper extremities and you haven't really mentioned in your symptom list anything about your shoulders, arms, forearms, or hands.

So again, my first line of interest would be to thoroughly exam you neurologically to be sure that brain, spinal cord, and neuromuscular connections are normal. As far as the TACHYCARDIA in the AM were concerned I would think in terms of possible AUTONOMIC DYSFUNCTION or RELATIVE DEHYDRATION although...that's not going to be a great diagnosis if things actually get better as the day wears on into the afternoon. Nevertheless, there are blood tests and other sorts of maneuvers using a tilt table, or just taking multiple orthostatic BLOOD PRESSURES that could point to something wrong if they were done and found to be abnormal.

Of course, there are things such as MRI's, EMG's and NERVE CONDUCTION STUDIES, however, I wouldn't recommend doing any of those types of tests until being thoroughly examined clinically to see if any of those tests are warranted. I would also wish to look at the full conglomerate of paperwork, testing, and MEDICAL NOTES from everyone you've seen to date to see what sorts of ideas are floating around from the physicians you've seen.

My impression about the plethora of supplements is that you're going way overboard the same way that doctors sometimes have a habit of doing when they see someone who they don't quite understand just start prescribing something to "see what happens".....pretty soon, NOTHING is working but instead of adjusting the regimen other doctors just keep ADDING...until there are just a ridiculous # of drugs that the person is taking.......you've got to pull back on that kind of thing and get to the heart of a GOOD NUTRITIONAL PROGRAM.....GOOD HYDRATION, GOOD OXYGEN UTILIZATION, and GOOD SLEEP HYGIENE.

Of course, we can't forget about the HUGE contribution that your mental attitude and perspective can play and so that needs to be examined with a fine tooth comb...especially if PHYSICAL TESTS And DATA don't support the presence of an obvious ORGANIC ETIOLOGY (cause) to ALL YOUR SYMPTOMS.

So bottom line is...of all the things you've mentioned....my gestalt is to focus on the heaviness or discomfort in the legs which is PROXIMALLY based and try and make some sense out of that problem first and then, only later coming back to try and insert some of the other symptoms which don't seem quite as egregious or out front as the leg problem. I might also recommend that a true functional Basal Metabolic Rate be measured on you (aside from just looking at the thyroid and adrenal function by labwork) and see what's what both before and after heavy exercise.

I'd also try NOT TO SPEND a whole of money on more tests and other things (deep tissue massages) unless there is a real compelling point to doing such activities in the face of so much that's been done that's normal to this point. I'd get the previous tests and results from labs and medical reports collated so that someone can thoroughly review things so that they don't go REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

Then, based upon all of this information I would propose a plan of attack which would invariably include neuropsychological functioning and testing by an expert who can work closely with the neurologist to see what's what between the ear canals.....:)

If I've provided useful and helpful information to your questions could you do me a huge favor by CLOSING THE QUERY and be sure to include some fine words of feedback along with a 5 STAR rating? Again, many thanks for submitting your inquiry and please let me know how things turn out.

Do not forget to contact me in the future at: www.bit.ly/drdariushsaghafi for additional questions, comments, or concerns having to do with this topic or others.

This query has utilized a total of 44 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Dariush Saghafi (15 hours later)
I greatly appreciate all the time and effort put into answering my questions to the best of your ability. My statement of not being able to lift my leg straight up....I was talking about my inability/without force of being able to lift my knee up to chest while standing. Below are just me rattling on about how I feel and making sure this is what you suggest for me to do.

So lets see if I understand your suggestions. I should first go see a neurologist who deals with neuropsychological functioning and testing. Tell them everything I have told you, gather all of my past testings/other doctor follow up notes and give to this person. So that they can better understand what to do. Run these tests and see if there is anything that they can find. Then I can contact you with the results of this person's findings and have you or another doctor on this site help me better understand them.

Also go have a Basal Metabolic Rate to be measured on me and see what's what both before and after heavy exercise. (To note I don't want to say that I am unable to do heavy exercise, but if you could only feel what it is like to "not be able to lift my legs." I describe it to people like someone is constantly sitting on my legs and when I am done with something such as biking or swimming...they feel twice as bad for two days...But then they go back to their normal state of just like someone sitting on them.) I have tried to make myself, over these last 3 years to force exercise, because I was getting fit physically but always still felt like crap. After taking 8 full months of total exercise I felt no change from when I was doing a lot of lifting and little bit of swimming. I get fit doing the stuff, but feel like crap. I try to do a little, but feel like crap. There has been no difference in the way I feel taking total rest, a little rest, or regularly exercising. I'm at the point now of just eating the most healthy foods as I can, sleeping 8-9 hours a day,practicing stress free lifestyle, and doing minimal exercising (abs/hips/body weight stuff/yoga) in hopes that one day this will help me in some shape or form. Even if I'm not seeing results now....


Then if all of these things are figured out, then seek out the other problems of taste/smell and the rapid heart rate?

Thanks,

XXXX XXXXXXX

Something else came to mind. I don't know if this is an unrelated problem or not but I have been experiencing blood in my stool on and off for about a year and a half. Really came about when I was lifting heavy that is if I recall correctly. I thought it was hemorrhoids... took some rectal stuff and it kind of went away. It was most times when I would poop a lot of poop at once, but not when it was just a little. I also noticed that it went almost away when I eat healthy and not like huge portions. My body has just experienced an array of problems, throughout these last three years and I want to nail the bigger issues first for financial reasons. Finally got everything paid off and now going to try more stuff.

I also told you that I had a MRI of my back where I had two doctors analyze and they all said everything looked fine, but I do go to the chiropractor because of a little misalignment. Thinking of this, sometimes I get the urge to run, just because I miss it even though it hurts me to do so. Then, when I do attempt to run half mile or something my low back shoots up with pain. (I hurt my low back dead-lifting in college but it never affected my running). It does hurt all the time now and I am going to a chiro twice a week.

Being physical fit and pushing my body to the limit has been life and even though I try to go on with everyday life (Being a school teacher /spending time with girlfriend/family/friends...it's just that old part of me is always missing....I pride myself off of having a mentality of doing anything I set my mind to, but life has just gotten overwhelming. I will not let myself get "depressed." But I do know that it is there.

Sorry for rambling. I've just never had a doctor who has went above and beyond and I'm thankful for all of the professional advice you have given me thus far.
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Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (20 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Thank you for those additional details

Detailed Answer:
I believe what needs to happen are the following:

1. Find a neurologist who can test the integrity of your central and peripheral nervous systems. That's what we are trained to do. Your example of "feeling heaviness" in the legs which worsens when you do heavy exercise...as an example....tells me that in fact, your systems are FUNCTIONING probably at peak capacity. You obviously accomplish a lot of things and PERHAPS maybe even to "excess?" So, your use of the word "weakness" needs to be standardized. When a neurologist examines you this will sort itself out.

2. A neurologist will not TYPICALLY be someone who performs detailed neuropsychological testing although we can and do do some cursory bedside testing when it comes to mental status, however, in your case my guess is that the bedside testing would come out very high functioning. What would be better would be for the neurologist to REFER to a NEUROPSYCHOLOGIST who can administer more detailed batteries of tests looking for other potential issues that could be manifesting themselves as physical symptoms. For example, you mentioned depression as being something you believe is present.....things like that. And so, I would recommend that a NEUROLOGIST REFER you to a neuropsychologist who will send his/her results and study conclusions back to the neurologist.

3. Getting records together such as lab tests, imaging studies, MEDICAL REPORTS written by the variety of doctors you've seen would be very helpful in my opinion so that the next doctor can have an idea of what's been looked at so as not to repeat things such as labs, etc.

4. I would stop doing any and all procedures, manipulations (chiropractic or otherwise), massages, and/or taking of medications or SUPPLEMENTS which have not produced the results. I know you said you take an 8 month rest from exercise.....now I am recommending that you take full leave of any and procedures and interventions which are costing you money you likely would be better SAVING for more appropriate purposes...and not throw it at things are ventures that have not helped you.

5. Pushing your body to the "limit" has not helped at this point. Therefore, backing off to a more reasonable and more low key level of maintaining fitness would be a better thing right now....In other words, stop revving the engine of the car hoping it's going to suddenly get unstuck from the mud.....that never works....Gently does it and a more level headed direction and amount at doing things usually unsticks wheels from the mud more readily....Make sense?

6. Your last statement of being "overwhelmed" with everything tells me some things which I'm not going to try and interpret fully here because I CANNOT without the other parts of the puzzle in place first....namely the FULL and complete history of what you've been through with other practitioners, the FULL and complete PHYSICAL and APPROPRIATE laboratory examination, and the NEUROPSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING.......but what I believe will HELP you sort out a lot of your physical challenges right now will be allowing your mind to change its focus to TEACHING and FAMILY.

Make sense.

You can always write back in the future with any results and/or conclusions that your next practitioner whether it be a neurologist or not and I'm happy to opine but do think about the things I've said....most importantly the focus of where your MIND should be right now relative to YOUR BODY and I believe things will be easier to sort out for both you and the doctor.

I do appreciate your kind words and wish you all the best in the New Year. You know how to get in touch with me on this network when the time is right after you've implemented things I've mentioned......MOST IMPORTANTLY in my opinion the last part of what I said about PULLING THINGS BACK and dropping things that have had no role in moving you FORWARD to improvement and resolution of your problems.

If you have found at least some of what I've said of benefit I once again would be appreciative of some positive feedback with a high 5 STAR rating (which is how we get bigger bags of peanuts on this network to sit with in front of the screen and talk to folks!) LOL.....

You may also close this consult at this point if your direction is clear and look for me again in the future at: www.bit.ly/drdariushsaghafi Of course, if you were in the XXXXXXX area running our famous marathon...or any subset of that such as the XXXXXXX Arboretum 5 K or even the XXXXXXX 10K then, you are more than welcome to stop by....we're just "down the street" from both...in a way.....

I await to hear how things are getting BETTER in the near future.

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What Causes Leg Pain, Rapid Heart Rate, Chronic Fatigue And Weakness?

Brief Answer: Symptom consolidation Detailed Answer: Good afternoon. I'm very sorry you're feeling this way and can imagine your frustration. I too am an athlete in the sport of wrestling and both assistant coach as well as still compete in tournaments. Because I'm 57 years old my training is continuous and to my way of thinking...a bit more rugged than the younger guys only because I have no OFF season and in order to stay moving and working with just to practice let alone compete...I have to be burning at twice the clip they need to....and of course, weight is not easy to maintain at my age.....So FATIGUE the way you're describing is very familiar to me. Soreness as well but luckily I think I was born with pretty resilient joints, tendons, and ligaments because I do not suffer from any real deterioration or overuse of them....I also play racquetball quite frequently which I believe keeps me limber in many respects. I don't know if relating what I do for myself would be of any value since we train in different sports....but as a neurologist let me take a crack at giving you at least a couple of ideas you may wanna try "running with"....no pun intended. If we boil down what seems to be the problem and just from what you've said I would put your list of symptoms as the following: When you say "lift my leg" I'm assuming you're talking about flexing your hip and elevating the knee up in the flexed position as well, correct? Or are you talking about extending your leg straight in front of you at 90 degree elevation and parallel to the floor....(i.e. core strengthening when we do the elbow rest machine and then, hip flex with both legs going parallel)? That's a hard one for sure...hate doing those...but it's a great core workout. You you've noticed some type of: 1. alteration in your ability to smell and/or taste since the 2 go together like Frik and Frak. 2. difficulty with holding the leg up at 90 degrees in one form or the other, 3. Quads are painful/uncomfortable/weak? 4. Tachycardia in the mornings 5. Fatigue 6. Depression (you mean "sadness over what's going on....based on everything you're doing I don't see right away a good set of indicators that could put you in a CLINICALLY DEPRESSED CATEGORY....but we'll just accept that for a moment). So, the idea of you being PHYSICALLY WEAK (from a purely mechanical point of view) is not likely simply based upon the sheer amount of physical activity and weight loads that you're pushing. Being fatigue'ed is a different sort of problem than being physically weak....do you agree? Tachycardia ONLY in the mornings also is not likely to be some sort of cardiovascular or even cardiac problem since if anything....things would be typically expected to go from good upon awakening and get progressively worse and worse as the day progressed the longer you remained either on your feet or active. But it seems that's NOT the case. As a neurologist I would be most interested in looking at things such as muscle enzymes and just doing a very complete functional capacities set of tests to see if you have any PATTERNS of weakness or abnormalities. You mention problems in the thigh areas as opposed to the distant leg, ankle, or foot....so there are some pathologies that affect PROXIMAL parts of the body rather than distal.....but generally that sort of problem also includes the upper extremities and you haven't really mentioned in your symptom list anything about your shoulders, arms, forearms, or hands. So again, my first line of interest would be to thoroughly exam you neurologically to be sure that brain, spinal cord, and neuromuscular connections are normal. As far as the TACHYCARDIA in the AM were concerned I would think in terms of possible AUTONOMIC DYSFUNCTION or RELATIVE DEHYDRATION although...that's not going to be a great diagnosis if things actually get better as the day wears on into the afternoon. Nevertheless, there are blood tests and other sorts of maneuvers using a tilt table, or just taking multiple orthostatic BLOOD PRESSURES that could point to something wrong if they were done and found to be abnormal. Of course, there are things such as MRI's, EMG's and NERVE CONDUCTION STUDIES, however, I wouldn't recommend doing any of those types of tests until being thoroughly examined clinically to see if any of those tests are warranted. I would also wish to look at the full conglomerate of paperwork, testing, and MEDICAL NOTES from everyone you've seen to date to see what sorts of ideas are floating around from the physicians you've seen. My impression about the plethora of supplements is that you're going way overboard the same way that doctors sometimes have a habit of doing when they see someone who they don't quite understand just start prescribing something to "see what happens".....pretty soon, NOTHING is working but instead of adjusting the regimen other doctors just keep ADDING...until there are just a ridiculous # of drugs that the person is taking.......you've got to pull back on that kind of thing and get to the heart of a GOOD NUTRITIONAL PROGRAM.....GOOD HYDRATION, GOOD OXYGEN UTILIZATION, and GOOD SLEEP HYGIENE. Of course, we can't forget about the HUGE contribution that your mental attitude and perspective can play and so that needs to be examined with a fine tooth comb...especially if PHYSICAL TESTS And DATA don't support the presence of an obvious ORGANIC ETIOLOGY (cause) to ALL YOUR SYMPTOMS. So bottom line is...of all the things you've mentioned....my gestalt is to focus on the heaviness or discomfort in the legs which is PROXIMALLY based and try and make some sense out of that problem first and then, only later coming back to try and insert some of the other symptoms which don't seem quite as egregious or out front as the leg problem. I might also recommend that a true functional Basal Metabolic Rate be measured on you (aside from just looking at the thyroid and adrenal function by labwork) and see what's what both before and after heavy exercise. I'd also try NOT TO SPEND a whole of money on more tests and other things (deep tissue massages) unless there is a real compelling point to doing such activities in the face of so much that's been done that's normal to this point. I'd get the previous tests and results from labs and medical reports collated so that someone can thoroughly review things so that they don't go REINVENTING THE WHEEL. Then, based upon all of this information I would propose a plan of attack which would invariably include neuropsychological functioning and testing by an expert who can work closely with the neurologist to see what's what between the ear canals.....:) If I've provided useful and helpful information to your questions could you do me a huge favor by CLOSING THE QUERY and be sure to include some fine words of feedback along with a 5 STAR rating? Again, many thanks for submitting your inquiry and please let me know how things turn out. Do not forget to contact me in the future at: www.bit.ly/drdariushsaghafi for additional questions, comments, or concerns having to do with this topic or others. This query has utilized a total of 44 minutes of professional time in research, review, and synthesis for the purpose of formulating a return statement.