HealthCareMagic is now Ask A Doctor - 24x7 | https://www.askadoctor24x7.com

question-icon

What Casues Breathing Difficulty And Muscle Weakness?

default
Posted on Mon, 10 Nov 2014
Question: My son consistently has a cpk between 350-450. Also had a borderline EMG last spring. He runs cross country and complains of "hitting a wall" and muscle weakness during his race. He has suffered from low ferritin in the past, but currently, his levels are good. He is a strong athlete and feels that he is capable of performing so much better, but feels his body just won't allow him to "push through". Complains of trouble breathing at times as well. He has been referred to a neuromuscular specialist for a muscle biopsy. Does this sound like the logical next step for my son?
doctor
Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (1 hour later)
Brief Answer:
Really? What is the working diagnosis?

Detailed Answer:
Hello. My name is Dr. Dariush Saghafi and I am a neurologist in the XXXXXXX OH area.

Strictly based upon the information you've given me and nothing else I am surprised that your son is being sent for a biopsy of muscle. That is a serious thing to do to a young man who is an athlete. I think I'm missing something important here in your story.

Is this recommendation coming from a neurologist or your primary physician? What is the working diagnosis. CPK's that are elevated in athletes who are in training are not necessarily unusual but again, maybe there's more information that you've not included that would prompt someone to go for that type of testing.

They should've given you some type of presumptive diagnosis such as a particular neuromuscular disease, muscular dystrophy of some sort, or other pathological process before going for that test. Has he had EMG/NCV testing done already? Even that may've surprised me a bit but it make sense to get that done first before any biopsy.

Has he been losing excessive weight? Has he become clumsy or accident prone while racing? Is he just not very coordinated or losing his sharpness when it comes to muscle work and precision?

I agree that some of his complaints such as difficulty breathing are not necessarily normal but again, many young athletes have bronchial spasms or asthma so that could be explained.

I'll let you come back with more information before asking anything else.

If you feel this information has helped you please consider leaving some written feedback and a STAR RATING of this encounter if you would do me the favor of CLOSING THE CONSULT if you are done with questions and comments.

Otherwise, I look forward to answering any question from you at the following link:

http://doctor.healthcaremagic.com/Funnel?page=askDoctorDirectly&docId=68474

This query required 14 minutes to review, research, and document for envoy.


Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Vaishalee Punj
doctor
default
Follow up: Dr. Dariush Saghafi (1 hour later)
He saw, and is being referred by a Physical/rehabilitation Dr. His EMG was done last spring. Although he did not fail drastically, indicating muscular dystrophy etc... he also did not pass with flying colors. My son has been having struggles during Cross Country season for the past 3 years. Symptoms started his freshmen year. He was finally diagnosed with low ferritin (17), but only after he continued to run for weeks. As a result he suffered from chronically fatigued legs and took weeks to recover. Could continuing to run on legs that were not being properly oxygenized cause permanent damage?? Though his ferritin is up now, he has never fully recovered in regard to leg weakness during his meets. As the season progresses, this symptom of muscle weakness during meets and training gets worse, when typically athletes are peeking.

He is not showing signs of clumsiness or losing weight.

The doctor we saw mentioned metabolic myopathy as a possible diagnosis.

Could there be another explanation for his limitations? He is otherwise a healthy kid. Thank you for your input! This has been 3 years of frustration. His body rejects this sport, yet he continues to persevere...always to be disappointed no matter how hard he tries. Thank you!
doctor
Answered by Dr. Dariush Saghafi (13 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Thank you for updated information

Detailed Answer:
Good morning again....and thanks for sending in those updates.....I suspected that there was a bit more information to have and you've provided some of those details.

I understand that the physical/rehab. doctor did an EMG on him but it would be more helpful more me to know what the actual conclusions were by the doctor as to saying that your son, "didn't fail drastically." I'd like to know the actual CONCLUSION. Has your son been seen by a neurologist yet? Specifically, a neuromuscular person. I think that should be done before getting a muscle/nerve biopsy which you really don't want to do if not necessary. If there is a metabolic myopathy then, we should be able to identify it with proper laboratory studies FIRST. In my opinion, one doesn't want to sacrifice any amount of nerve and muscle in a patient who is suffering from such problems. That should be intuitively obvious.

Sounds to me as if the doctor's hanging his hat on making the diagnosis based on the biopsy instead doing an exhaustive search for the metabolic problem. That's again, why my bias in these cases is to find a solid NEUROMUSCULAR person in the field of neurology as opposed to PM&R which is not to say any negative about the abilities of the doctor he's been seeing but neurologists simply have a different perspective on these sorts of situations and I believe (for obvious reasons) that our scope of trying to find the problem before going invasive is much wider than many other specialists tend to do.

You mention about low ferritin levels...but do you really mean to say he has "low normal" levels or truly LOW LOW levels. What do the rest of his iron studies show and are these low levels due to genetics or are they part of a larger syndromic picture or hasn't the doctor really gone that far in his discussions with you?

Hard to say whether intense exercise is doing damage to his muscles without the diagnosis being clear. There are certain types of muscle diseases and dysrophies which are clearly aggravated by exercise....but those are not based on lack of oxygenation or by low ferritin levels so much as they are by shear mechanical wear and tear on the muscles themselves which do not regenerate once they are brokine down. It doesn't sound like the case here since you say he's not losing weight and he's not clumsy.

When you say his body rejects the sport....can you tell me specifically how he places in races compared with his peers? Is he in the top 25% of racers in his events, middle 50%, or bottom 25%, bottom 10%? Such numbers will help me get a better objective feel for the amount of weakness you're talking about. Does he need a lot of recovery time after a meet or training? Does he suffer from fatigue during the day when he needs to be studying and is it beginning to show signs of interference with grades or else wise?

Is there any other sport, less strenuous perhaps, that he has tried pursuing but then, also not well at for similar reasons?

If you feel this information has helped you please consider leaving some written feedback and a STAR RATING of this encounter and also you would kindly consider CLOSING THE CONSULT if you are done with questions and comments. If not then, I am gladly standing by for more questions or responses to questions that I asked.

Otherwise, I look forward to answering any question from you at the following link:

http://doctor.healthcaremagic.com/Funnel?page=askDoctorDirectly&docId=68474

This query required 15 minutes to review, research, and document for envoy.

Note: For further queries, consult a joint and bone specialist, an Orthopaedic surgeon. Book a Call now.

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Bhagyalaxmi Nalaparaju
doctor
Answered by
Dr.
Dr. Dariush Saghafi

Neurologist

Practicing since :1988

Answered : 2473 Questions

premium_optimized

The User accepted the expert's answer

Share on

Get personalised answers from verified doctor in minutes across 80+ specialties

159 Doctors Online

By proceeding, I accept the Terms and Conditions

HCM Blog Instant Access to Doctors
HCM Blog Questions Answered
HCM Blog Satisfaction
What Casues Breathing Difficulty And Muscle Weakness?

Brief Answer: Really? What is the working diagnosis? Detailed Answer: Hello. My name is Dr. Dariush Saghafi and I am a neurologist in the XXXXXXX OH area. Strictly based upon the information you've given me and nothing else I am surprised that your son is being sent for a biopsy of muscle. That is a serious thing to do to a young man who is an athlete. I think I'm missing something important here in your story. Is this recommendation coming from a neurologist or your primary physician? What is the working diagnosis. CPK's that are elevated in athletes who are in training are not necessarily unusual but again, maybe there's more information that you've not included that would prompt someone to go for that type of testing. They should've given you some type of presumptive diagnosis such as a particular neuromuscular disease, muscular dystrophy of some sort, or other pathological process before going for that test. Has he had EMG/NCV testing done already? Even that may've surprised me a bit but it make sense to get that done first before any biopsy. Has he been losing excessive weight? Has he become clumsy or accident prone while racing? Is he just not very coordinated or losing his sharpness when it comes to muscle work and precision? I agree that some of his complaints such as difficulty breathing are not necessarily normal but again, many young athletes have bronchial spasms or asthma so that could be explained. I'll let you come back with more information before asking anything else. If you feel this information has helped you please consider leaving some written feedback and a STAR RATING of this encounter if you would do me the favor of CLOSING THE CONSULT if you are done with questions and comments. Otherwise, I look forward to answering any question from you at the following link: http://doctor.healthcaremagic.com/Funnel?page=askDoctorDirectly&docId=68474 This query required 14 minutes to review, research, and document for envoy.