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Does Therapy Helps With Nerve Conduction?

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Posted on Wed, 16 Apr 2014
Question: Hi Doctor, I have been communicating with an orthopedic surgeon, Doctor XXXXXXX through your organization that has done an excellent job; yet I would also like the opinion of a Nuerosurgeon. On February, 17th of 2014 (roughly 5 weeks ago) I had an MRI result that showed compression of my spinal cord at C4-C-5 with an accompanying abnormal cord signal. I saw a spinal Orthodedic surgeon locally and a Neurosurgeon locally and neither of them recommended surgery because I have no neurological symptoms of myelopathy. I also have a radicuopathy on my right side that caused pain and was the reason I underwent the MRI in the first place. The radiculopathy has improved greatly in the past 5 weeks. I am seeing a PT that specializes in the XXXXXXX Method and I have made a number of behavioral changes that I believe are helping. I also swim roughly 2 miles per day 4 to 5 days per week and after correcting my breathing and flip turning technique (these were exasperating problems before) swimming is also helping greatly. (Probably more than anything else I am doing) The pain in my neck and shoulder is greatly reduced from 5 weeks ago. It is a 0-1 in the neck and and a 0-3 in the shoulder depending on whether I am using good posture, maintaining good head position etc. I have long periods of no pain at all now. The pain was a 5-6 five weeks ago and I had much more radiating sensation in my shoulder and down my arm. My questions relate to the "possible development of myelopathy"; which is a different issue and is overwhelmingly my primary concern. To repeat, I have compression of the cord at C-4-C-5 with an accompanying abnormal cord signal. Both of these findings were confirmed by an MRI on a 1.5 Tesla machine on 2/17/2014. The good news is that I have no current neurological symptoms of myelopathy. These are my questions: 1. My physical therapist says even though my radiculopathy is improving it does not mean that the pressure on my cord at C4-C-5 is lessening. Do you agree with that? 2. What percentage of patients who have MRI's findings that indicate a. pressure on the cord with b. an abnormal cord signal NEVER develop myelopathy? c. The surgeons I saw locally both said that I should immediately let them know if I had myelopathy type symptoms; yet I have read that once damage to the cord occurs it sometimes cannot be reversed. Is there a better way for me to monitor possible nureological impairment than to simply wait until I have noticeable impairment and then react to it? I am considering going to the Mayo Clinic for a second opinion and more importantly for a "game plan". One final question that is another variation of question b. I suppose: how often do you see patients that have spinal cord compression with an abnormal signal who stabilize and never develop neurological impairment? Thank you for your time, expertise and effort.
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Answered by Dr. Vinay Bhardwaj (5 hours later)
Brief Answer: Correlation of Cord compression and myelopathy Detailed Answer: Hi! My names is Vinay. Thanks for coming to HealthCareMagic. I have gone over history as you have typed it here a few times. Thanks for putting in your neurological exam by the way. That was very helpful. I dunno if I can agree or disagree with your Ortho's or your Neuro's assessments only because I have never had the chance to examine you. But that's not your question anyway.. so lets get to it. 1) Your therapist is absolutely right, therapy helps with nerve conduction and strengthening the surrounding muscle bundles, but will do absolutely nothing for the cord compression itself. By the way.. keep up with the swimming, it is the best way to help with spinal issues. 2) That's a toughie. I have gone through a number of studies to try and arrive at a satisfactory answer and most of them suffer from what all spine and brain studies suffer from, a lack of a statistically significant patient population from which to extrapolate findings. Most of these studies have an 'N' (number of people in the study) in the double digits or maybe low triple digits. I'm going to quote from a study that I have attached here. This ought to be the best and most representative answer of the literature I reviewed. "RESULTS.: One hundred three patients met inclusion criteria (age >18, symptomatic cervical degenerative disease and complete neurologic assessment). Of these, 54 had clinical findings of cervical myelopathy. Radiographic features of cord compression were present in 62% of patients, and 84% had myelopathy on examination. " The link to the study is here http://stanfordhospital.org/profiles/frdActionServlet;jsessionid=846758B74258D3B0000D79F7DBC7B.tc-cap-new-05?choiceId=showPublication&pubid=89745&fid=24608&suffix= So you may be in the small minority of people that has cord compression without myelopathy.. It certainly doesn't sound like you have myelopathic symptoms from what you have described. 3) As to a better way of looking for neurological impairment. Has the option of an Electromyography (EMG) been discussed? They could test the nerve conductions through the affected cervical spinal nerves and see if there is any change in the signal. Would help in deciding of surgery is indicated or not. 4) Lastly, as far as seeing patients with cord compression who have never gone on to surgery... Unfortunately I am yet to come across such a case. Partially because I have only been practicing outside of residency for 2 years now (not that much time to follow such a patient) and also because in India.. osteoporosis is rampant and eventually the degenerative changes in the spine eventually precipitate a situation where surgery is needed to stabilize the spine and protect the cord from furthur compression. I hope I didn't miss anything. Also, I hope to God I helped. These situations are pretty confusing I know. So, feel free to follow-up and we can go through this step by step. Thanks again for coming to HealthCareMagic.
Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Vinay Bhardwaj (8 hours later)
You did an excellent job explaining the issues, my additional questions are these: a. if the arm/neck pain of a radiculopathy is, in fact, "a symptom of myelopathy" and if that arm/neck pain is improving greatly compared to five weeks ago, could this mean there is less pressure on the spinal cord now than there was previously. Another way of saying it is this: If my Radiculpathy pain is improving, does this indicate that I may have less risk of developing myelopathy than I may have feared? b. What conclusions can you draw from the fact that I have spinal cord compression and an abnormal signal; yet no neurological symptoms, what are all the possibilities? I have had intermittent pain in my neck for 25 years whenever I turned my head too far to the right and I believe the pain in my deltoid has been there intermittently; yet not as noticeable for the same period of time. I had a very hard collision playing basketball with that right shoulder and the pain in the deltoid has been intermittent ever since. I always thought it was a sore muscle. Thank you for all of your time and perspective. the collision playing basketball was 25 years ago and when I asked both of the surgeons I saw here in Indianapolis, if that collision could have caused the spinal cord compression that long ago; they both said possibly. I thought they would rule that possibility out as a silly theory and to my surprise they both said it may be the case that I have had pressure on the cord that has been stable for a while and possibly a long while. Do you agree that this is possible? Is it possible to have pressure on the cord and a abnormal cord signal and to "not" develop neurological symptoms; which would indicate relative stability for 25 years?
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Answered by Dr. Vinay Bhardwaj (15 hours later)
Brief Answer: The Cord is pretty well protected Detailed Answer: Hey there! Thanks for following up! Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. Your day is my night. Sorry bout that. So, lets try and give ourselves some grounding first in the neuroanatomy of the spinal cord. I really wish I could upload a picture or two, but the system is pretty limited as of now. So i want you to imagine a single copper wire. Think of that as a single nerve. It spans from the brain all the way down through the cord all the way down to the feet (now that's not the way it really is.. but humor me). This single wire has insulation all around it to make sure it doesn't short with other wires that bundled with it. Now take a few thousand of these nerve/wires and bundle them together in some plastic sheathing.. That forms a tract of nerves. One such tract may send command impulses to a part of the body... say the left arm or the right leg.. Take about 10 of these tracts and pack them together in a triple layer of sheathing that is suspended in a fluid which acts as a shock absorber... Take THAT entire Cord and encase it in a bony cage called the spinal column.. and now you start to see the architecture of the spinal cord.. It is INCREDIBLY well protected and teh only way to affect the individual 'wires' is to really press down on the cord and press hard so that it gets through all that packaging. It's really tough to cause an injury which presses down on the cord so that it causes myelopathy.. especially when you consider that that spinal column is also braced by paraspinal muscles and tendons and fat.. etc etc... That having been said lets get to your questions. A) "if the arm/neck pain of a radiculopathy is, in fact, "a symptom of myelopathy" and if that arm/neck pain is improving greatly compared to five weeks ago, could this mean there is less pressure on the spinal cord now than there was previously." Unfortunately not.. in a partial compression (which i am assuming you have) the parts of the cord that are being pressed against are going to be superseded by the other 'wires' in the same bundle that are NOT being pressed. So the nervous system modulates the signaling so that fewer impulses travel through the affected segments and more of those impulses travel through the unaffected ones.. this can keep going on until the entire bundle is affected.. then the redundancy fails and the entire bundle fails. Physical therapists are masters of 'retraining' the CNS and the cord to send impulses through unaffected nerve groups so that the muscles on the effector end, end up working just as well and the sensory receptors that are damaged are progressively ignored by the insular cortex (the part of the brain that filters out the noise and allows only allows sensation to get up to conscious levels). So in a nut shell. Yes.. physical therapy can vastly improve your performance and symptoms, but it will not ultimately change the pathology behind the problem. The cord will continue to be compressed. B. "What conclusions can you draw from the fact that I have spinal cord compression and an abnormal signal; yet no neurological symptoms, what are all the possibilities?" Simple, you're nervous system is robust and built in with plenty of backup. The MRI takes an image and shows whats THERE.. but it will not show the functioning of the cord in those high signal areas.. Also, i haven't seen your scans.. so i have no idea WHICH bundles are affected.. It could be that the motor tracts are fine and only the sensory tracts are affected (all of the pain.. with non of the physical disability.. no obvious myelopathic symptoms). It's pretty tought to have a compression that affects ONLY 1 bundle.. they are packed in there pretty tight.. but i've seen it happen. C. "Is it possible to have pressure on the cord and a abnormal cord signal and to "not" develop neurological symptoms; which would indicate relative stability for 25 years?" Ohh yes. the injury you had 25 years ago was an injury to a system that had healthier bone, better muscle mass, more collagen in the tendons and better muscle tone.. over the last 25 years.. the bones have become less dense.. the muscles weaker.. proteins in the tendons degrade and are not repaired and in general we suffer from degeneration of the discs and the vertebrae and surrounding structures.. so as time passes.. an injury that was SUBclinical at first can gradually show up with clinical symptoms.... That would also explain why the PT is helping you... you are basically reversing some of those age related changes (namely the muscle tone and muscle bracing) In the end.. I think you are going through normal degeneration of the spinal column coupled with an injury that is now beginning to surface. Not the best situation i know.. but that gives us a plan to deal with it.. Turn back the clock.. do whatever you can to strengthen the musculature of the neck.. physical therapy is the key! It's fun talking to you. Thanks for the follow-up. I hope I'm making sense.. this stuff can get pretty dense. For any further clarification, don't hesitate to contact me. Vin
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Does Therapy Helps With Nerve Conduction?

Brief Answer: Correlation of Cord compression and myelopathy Detailed Answer: Hi! My names is Vinay. Thanks for coming to HealthCareMagic. I have gone over history as you have typed it here a few times. Thanks for putting in your neurological exam by the way. That was very helpful. I dunno if I can agree or disagree with your Ortho's or your Neuro's assessments only because I have never had the chance to examine you. But that's not your question anyway.. so lets get to it. 1) Your therapist is absolutely right, therapy helps with nerve conduction and strengthening the surrounding muscle bundles, but will do absolutely nothing for the cord compression itself. By the way.. keep up with the swimming, it is the best way to help with spinal issues. 2) That's a toughie. I have gone through a number of studies to try and arrive at a satisfactory answer and most of them suffer from what all spine and brain studies suffer from, a lack of a statistically significant patient population from which to extrapolate findings. Most of these studies have an 'N' (number of people in the study) in the double digits or maybe low triple digits. I'm going to quote from a study that I have attached here. This ought to be the best and most representative answer of the literature I reviewed. "RESULTS.: One hundred three patients met inclusion criteria (age >18, symptomatic cervical degenerative disease and complete neurologic assessment). Of these, 54 had clinical findings of cervical myelopathy. Radiographic features of cord compression were present in 62% of patients, and 84% had myelopathy on examination. " The link to the study is here http://stanfordhospital.org/profiles/frdActionServlet;jsessionid=846758B74258D3B0000D79F7DBC7B.tc-cap-new-05?choiceId=showPublication&pubid=89745&fid=24608&suffix= So you may be in the small minority of people that has cord compression without myelopathy.. It certainly doesn't sound like you have myelopathic symptoms from what you have described. 3) As to a better way of looking for neurological impairment. Has the option of an Electromyography (EMG) been discussed? They could test the nerve conductions through the affected cervical spinal nerves and see if there is any change in the signal. Would help in deciding of surgery is indicated or not. 4) Lastly, as far as seeing patients with cord compression who have never gone on to surgery... Unfortunately I am yet to come across such a case. Partially because I have only been practicing outside of residency for 2 years now (not that much time to follow such a patient) and also because in India.. osteoporosis is rampant and eventually the degenerative changes in the spine eventually precipitate a situation where surgery is needed to stabilize the spine and protect the cord from furthur compression. I hope I didn't miss anything. Also, I hope to God I helped. These situations are pretty confusing I know. So, feel free to follow-up and we can go through this step by step. Thanks again for coming to HealthCareMagic.