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Does Positive Family History Of Dysthymia Increase The Risk Of Cyclothymia?

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Posted on Mon, 13 Jul 2015
Question: Hi, Dr. Bienenfeld. I have a history of cyclothymia in my family (my father has it), and both paternal and maternal sides of the family have a history of depression and substance misuse. I have many of the symptoms that my father experiences, including hypomania and dysthymia, and our personalities are virtually the same.

I have been referred to a psychiatrist in the United Kingdom, but the waiting list is long. I should like to get - in part, at least - an answer to my problems before that. Can you help?
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Answered by Dr. Chintan Solanki (29 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
provide your symptoms detail for comments on diagnosis

Detailed Answer:
Hello,

Thanks for writing to us.

Positive family history increases the risk of cyclothymia and depression than that of in general population.
Miratazpine is good antidepressant. It will take 3-4 weeks to have optimum effects of medicines. If you have started recently it will help only in sleep initially.
Keppra and lamotrigine both are mood stabilizer also apart from anti-epileptic. Lamotrigine is used in bipolar or resistant depression also. So indirectly these medicines will help in hypomania (if you are having).

Please provide details about your symptoms with duration so I can comment on diagnosis.
As well as let me know for which problems you want answers.
I will try my best to help you.

Regards,
Dr.Chintan Solanki.

Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Chintan Solanki (32 minutes later)
Thank you.

I have been on mirtazapine for the past six months. As I said, it does not help without much with the exception to sleep.

Hypomanic symptoms include irritability, racing thoughts, pressured speech, impulsiveness, creativity, decreased need for sleep and increased sex drive. This has happened at least twice in the past year. The dysthymia, which is much more common and persistent, includes an inability to concentrate, a loss of interest in day-to-day activities, irritability, generalised anxiety, social anxiety, obsessive-compulsive symptoms including checking, and self-neglect.

I believe I have experienced the hypomania on a much less intense level since the age of around seventeen, but this also coincided with my first prescription of Keppra for epilepsy. I became very irritable (Kepprage?) and capricious at this point, which was put down to the Keppra. Since then, I tried to remain active to remain stable in mood - which has helped, to some degree - and have been putting in place coping strategies since that point.

Lamotrigine was introduced as monotherapy given the above side-effects, and I felt more stable for the year in which I received that as the sole medication. Sadly I had another tonic clonic seizure, so Keppra was reintroduced with lamotrigine presumably as a mood stabiliser to counteract the Keppra. I was never told this by the Neurologist, so he may have used dual therapy to ensure greater control.

All in all, symptoms appear to have worsened with age. Stress seems to be a trigger for the hypomania, but I should say that I am in a sub-clinically depressed state of mind for the vast majority of any given year.

I am currently also taking diazepam for occasional panic attacks, but use this sparingly.

So, the answer I am looking for is whether or not this is likely side-effects of medication, cyclothymia, or another separate condition. Thank you.
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Answered by Dr. Chintan Solanki (35 minutes later)
Brief Answer:
3 possibilities are there

Detailed Answer:
Hello,

Thanks for information.

From your narration it seems that you have done lots of search on your problem. I would like to make 3 differential diagnoses from your available history.


1. Keppra of course can cause many mood symptoms specifically hypomanic type symptoms and mood swings. As your mood symptoms coincide with starting of keppra it is the possibility that many mood swings might be side effect of keppra and we can confirm it by replacing it with other suitable anti-epileptic medicine.

2. Chronic mood symptoms suggest possibility of cyclothymia. To diagnose cyclothymia we must rule out any major depressive episode, manic episode or mixed episode. This requires detail history from person as well as family and detail mental status examination of person. That is only possible after you consult your psychiatrist.

3. If hypomanic episode is confirmed and depressed mood satisfies criteria for depression then your diagnosis would be bipolar-2 disorder.

Whatever the diagnosis is cyclothymia or bipolar -2 , treatment does not differ much.

Mirtazpine is not working for depressed mood that means there is possibility of cyclothymia or bipolar-2 disorder.

Stability with lamotrigine in past suggests that your problem is treatable.

In my opinion keppra should be replaced with valproate.

Hope this answers your concern.

Feel free to discuss further.


Above answer was peer-reviewed by : Dr. Chakravarthy Mazumdar
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Follow up: Dr. Chintan Solanki (11 minutes later)
Thank you.

Yes, I have certainly recently been researching what could be happening and I knew from past experience with the Keppra that it could have been causing some disruption in psychological well-being.

More than anything, you have confirmed my own thoughts - and probably those of my GP, though I will be seeing him again shortly, and hopefully a psychiatry appointment will be forthcoming.

One final question is on the valproate. I am aware that this medication can cause cognitive problems, hair loss, shaking and weight gain. All of these things are of concern to me.

My cognitive faculties are of huge importance to me and the work that I do is demanding in that respect. Due to mood problems I have struggled with my weight in the past, and it does fluctuate between having a BMI of 23 and of 26-27 at the worst. Additionally, hair loss is a concern for me though I am taking finasteride to counteract that.

So, my final question on this is whether or not valproate would be a suitable replacement given the above.
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Answered by Dr. Chintan Solanki (12 hours later)
Brief Answer:
Even lamotigine will work, valproate is not so bad, clobazam is alternative

Detailed Answer:
Thanks for follow up.

I can understand your concern for you valproate. But these side effects are not always there in every person.
Weight gain can be prevented by proper food intake, exercise and healthy lifestyle.
Hair loss can be prevented with food and nutritional supplement.
BMI 26 is not so much high.
Cognitive side effects about which you are concerned are possible after long term use of 8-10 years.

In your case lamotrigine has been used in low dose. We can increase the same up to 300 mg after proper diagnosis. In any case if valproate is not suitable clobazam will help for epilepsy as an add on to lamotrigine.It has no significant side effects like valproate.

One good thing is that you are concerned about your problem in well manner and aware about the different scientific aspects of problems. In that case psychotherapy would also help to treat your problem. With psychotherapy your need of medicines will also be decreased.

Wish you good health and take care.

Hope this answer will help.

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Does Positive Family History Of Dysthymia Increase The Risk Of Cyclothymia?

Brief Answer: provide your symptoms detail for comments on diagnosis Detailed Answer: Hello, Thanks for writing to us. Positive family history increases the risk of cyclothymia and depression than that of in general population. Miratazpine is good antidepressant. It will take 3-4 weeks to have optimum effects of medicines. If you have started recently it will help only in sleep initially. Keppra and lamotrigine both are mood stabilizer also apart from anti-epileptic. Lamotrigine is used in bipolar or resistant depression also. So indirectly these medicines will help in hypomania (if you are having). Please provide details about your symptoms with duration so I can comment on diagnosis. As well as let me know for which problems you want answers. I will try my best to help you. Regards, Dr.Chintan Solanki.